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I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's a ridiculous expectation for a console that costs £250 to output at 1440p 60FPS with RT on, in every game which is what people seen to expect in all these threads.
Like, what console in history has ever done its max resolution output in every game? Not even the Series X or PS5 is doing that.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine to have a discussion about it but people jumping until threads like "lol waste of money" or "guess it's a 900b box!" or whatever off tiny bits of information is annoying.
This. RDNA2 features are so new, also, dev kits are recent to devs, not like PS5 dev kits.
Not sure what you are trying to imply here? Both Series X/S have dedicated ML hardware, Microsoft explicitly stated this in relation to Super Resolution in a recent article on using the full RDNA2 featureset for the consoles.
The whole point of having dedicated hardware is to minimize performance penalties. If you were talking about PS5, which seemingly doesn't have dedicated machine learning hardware, sure, the performance performance penalty could be greater.
Also, to our understanding the point of Super Resolution (just like DLSS), is to use machine learning to reconstruct an image that is significantly higher resolution than the base image. It's entirely feasible that developers could lower the internal resolution on Series S as low as 720p 60fps and reconstruct that up 1440p 60. I'd say this might even be the perfect scenario, assuming Super Resolution can achieve results similar to DLSS.
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In the end I too prefer the linear filtering in a pure mirror surface.
The Mode differences were curious in watch dogs. It primarily changed the bvh size and the type of objects added, (high missing particles, and Medium missing particles and decals). It did not change roughness cut off between the setting actually (dev source here), but instead would reduce the ray length based on surface roughness a bit. So the roughness cut off is the same on PC at least, but the chance for a distant object to Show up on a rough surface is lower on high and Medium. With the roughness cut off the same between modes - a closer object will still Show up all the same across all of the RT modes: ultra, Medium and high. Just more distant objects might not Show. Roughness cut off changes would mean that roigher surface has no chance of a reflection at all, regardless of how close the reflection object may be.
Are we sure the WD footage in the "Inside Xbox Series S" presentation had RT?
If it has, than 1080p (even dynamic) is perfectly reasonable to me. A cross gen game (people forget how unoptimised cross gen games are), open world with RT on a $300 machine? C'mon, back at the "Lockhart" rumor days people would think this impossible.
If it has, than 1080p (even dynamic) is perfectly reasonable to me. A cross gen game (people forget how unoptimised cross gen games are), open world with RT on a $300 machine? C'mon, back at the "Lockhart" rumor days people would think this impossible.
Do people really think that the 23 studios Microsoft now own will not max out the potential of both Xbox Series consoles? If Microsoft calls it a 1440p console, you can bet the next Fallout will run at 1440p on the XSS. Judging how games perform today is not a proper representation of what any next generation console is capable of once software is properly optimized.
Isn't the Series X version running mostly at 1440P? Depending how well game performance scales on different RDNA2 chips, it should be expected that the Series S version will be 3-4 times lower resolution.
Like every other game in the next few months, it'll all be revealed once it's released.
Like every other game in the next few months, it'll all be revealed once it's released.
It's a start of a new gen and yes you are correct, they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Probably why they insist their games are not political either.
This next gen about to happen feels so odd compared to how the current gen started.
Ubisoft confirmed RT on this article:
Ubisoft On the Next Generation of Consoles – Get the Details
Ubisoft On the Next Generation of Consoles – Get the Details
news.ubisoft.com
"Xbox Series X | S: The near-future London of Watch Dogs: Legion will fully benefit from the hardware accelerated raytracing of the new Xbox Series X | S"
Microsoft showed Series S footage with Ray tracing in the Inside Series S trailer.
Series S Watch Dogs Legion RT footage @ 7:36
Inside the Xbox Series S
Learn about the tech behind the Xbox Series S as well as some small glimpses of gameplay.
m.youtube.com
The fact we need experts to point minimal differences says a lot how silly is.
I can tell just by looking at the pixels which rays were traced and which weren't.
I don't expect every Series X & PS5 game to support 4K and/or 120 fps. If MS said the Series S is a 1080p console and some games come out at 1440p, which is entirely possible, I guess they'd be wrong then too, right?
I just watched the DF comparison video, and looks like PS4 Pro is the lead platform? I thought that MS bought the marketing rights for this game
Next gen didn't even start yet and there's already a struggle with Ray tracing. Throw the whole shit out the window. Its gonna get worst from here cause this is just a cross gen game.
There's much more PS4's out there so makes sense to polish that version first as it's the version more people will play.
Additionally we know that MS moved from an Xbox specific SDK to a PC + Xbox SDK which came in rather late. If they attempted to use that for this game that would likely increase delays and add challenge to polish being done in a timely manner. No evidence they did use this new SDK btw, just throwing it out there as something that would impact if used.
Both Series X|S and PS5 versions will be going live on their respective launch days, the PS5 physical release of the game is delayed until November 24th.
The whole point of the series S is to be able to ship 1080p next gen games. An amazing level of optimization shouldn't be expected for a cross gen open world gamewith RT that was shipped for 8 freaking platforms and reading into the consoles future on this game alone is absurd
Is this your first generation? In what world did visual effects ever got worse over the course of a generation?! As developers learn to optimize better for those consoles and get more experienced better results will come.
It will be interesting to see how big or small the differences really are at normal viewing distance, when not zooming in and analysing all the small details up close.
Series X reflections look similar to how the reflections look when you run the game on PC at 1440P with DLSS set to quality (which means reflection is half of the original pre DLSS resolution, which would put reflections around 720P). Whereas the 4K version on PC would have ~1440P reflections.
The PC version also has a lower roughness cut off compared to Series X as you can see in the video, and the dev said so in the article. In essence he is correct in that it is "the same tech" but there are differences which is noticeable when viewed side by side even when you aren't an expert. But on its own it's good enough and frankly quite impressive.
The PC version also has a lower roughness cut off compared to Series X as you can see in the video, and the dev said so in the article. In essence he is correct in that it is "the same tech" but there are differences which is noticeable when viewed side by side even when you aren't an expert. But on its own it's good enough and frankly quite impressive.
Visual? I'm speaking of performance, guy. Im speaking of the use of ray tracing going forward.
Maybe.
Not sure if it matters, but it's kind of a poor proposition in comparison to the PS5 DE at $50 dollars cheaper. Unless you're dead set on using Gamepass.
But a digital only 6-8 TF machine at 512gb at $350 would perhaps be more future proof. But Idk how the value stacks up.
Yeah they do seem just ever so slightly lower quality. To be honest without seeing them side by side I couldn't tell the difference one bit and think both versions look great. Things can only get better as the generation moves out of its infancy.
Yea on its own it's good enough and doesn't feel like you're getting anything worse.
You basically need a side by side comparison to see the difference. Plus I played on PC at 1440P with DLSS set to quality and I thought the 720P reflections looked fine.
Night time ray-tracing is not kind to Series X(and presumably PS5) compared to that 3080 footage. Daytime looks comparable, but something about the nighttime. It almost looks like it's the texture quality of the ground lending the PC version more realism, but I have to assume the ray-tracing itself must be different, too? I don't know. Is it possible the Series X footage is more compressed than the PC footage in the video on this page? Maybe that could be why the texture quality on the ground looks so much worse on the Series X.
Multiple sub 1080p games... There is no way this thing was ever going to be a 1400p machine for anything but a tiny minority of games.
Personally I initially looked at an XSS as a second console to PS5 to get in on the gamepass goodness and MS exclusives. But the machine is too compromised, you're far better off getting an XSX, or even streaming from xCloud in the future which will likely have better resolution and performance at the expense of some latency.
I'm waiting for now, and if xCloud comes to Android TV can subscribe to that if needed, if not might get an XSX at some point down the road.
Microsoft showed Series S footage with Ray tracing in the Inside Series S trailer.
Series S Watch Dogs Legion RT footage @ 7:36
Inside the Xbox Series S
Learn about the tech behind the Xbox Series S as well as some small glimpses of gameplay.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the reflections maintain integrity if they are indeed utilising raytracing.
It's a tiny fragment of footage but zooming into the puddles the reflections break down as the NPC's arm moves in front of them - that's screen space reflection, no?
Yes, they use screen space as well. Dictator's PC breakdown on the DF YouTube video explains when each technique is used. (I can barely understand what he's saying here, but I like to pretend it'd make sense if I just spent an extra 5 minutes thinking about it that I will never get around to doing).
definitely. It was a "you guys playing the game aren't going to notice this shit, its gonna be digital foundry territory"
Ehhhh, when I look at the differences of the current PC RT settings then this is quite a lot more than "only expert will be able to spot that".
The person who wrote that probably also believes nobody sees a difference between 1080p and 4K or Xbox One and Xbox One X improvements.
The person who wrote that probably also believes nobody sees a difference between 1080p and 4K or Xbox One and Xbox One X improvements.
Pretty sure you can kiss 1440p goodbye on that console. Only first party will push it.
But then digital PS5 is just $50 more then that. They should've just taken a bigger loss at the same price point by having a 1tb hd. No one in the general public is going to complain about the resolutions of the games IMO.
I think RT has been way oversold for these consoles. We should expect limited RT throughtout the gen. The only thing expected to change will be that developers will likely get better at "picking their spots" to make the effect most effective.
They are likely referring to the lower end of the Gears 5 dynamic resolution, which ranges from 720p to 1440p.