Fair enough, don't think that was the difference in them not meeting expectations.
Your not in correct in your analysis imo. It think Destiny experienced the same thing hence Activision cutting there losses.
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Ubisoft: The Division 2 failed expectations
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Your not in correct in your analysis imo. It think Destiny experienced the same thing hence Activision cutting there losses.
Yeah, you just reach 500 gear score so quickly and they haven't raised it. The post game just recycles itself and it becomes stale. And when I occasionally turn the game on to do the dailies, sometimes they are locked until you complete the prerequisite missions even if you have beaten them a half dozen times before.
As expected. Compared to Division 1 i saw nobody really play it in my friendslist. Where with Division 1 my whole Destiny group all played Division 1. Not for long tho.
Still think the game is limited in realism for a looter shooter. And in the end thats get pretty boring.
Still think the game is limited in realism for a looter shooter. And in the end thats get pretty boring.
This right here. I'm thinking about dropping Destiny because of this and that FOMO. I dont like that FOMO, yeah i could just not care but it is in me TO care.
And the game keeps "asking me" to play more and more and i have less and less time every year.
As for Division 2... It didn't grab me. And it happened to a lot of people as well. I can't pinpoint why but after like 40 hours i was like "ok i've done everything".
If Destiny has taught the industry anything (and it seems no one is learning) its not how you start, its how you stabilize, and condition your content and audience and finish.
People only have so much time to play these type of games. I choose Borderlands 3 as my service game for the year...
I played hundreds of hours and is no surprise that this game was bad. One of the biggest mistake made was cutting dark zone from one main region in D1 to 3 small regions in D2. End game content was missing. On the bright side the game looks phenomenal.
I think 'live service' games like this are going to go through a market contraction soon (if they aren't already after this and Anthem). There are only so many customers, and each customer only has so much time. Why buy a new live service game when I'm already invested so much into a different game? Reminds me a lot of all of the MMOs that came out after WoW's success. The market just can't support that many games that require high time investments from consumers.
I'm totally feeling this way nowadays. I really liked the Division 2, but when I got to the "endgame," it was like fuck. There's just so much in these games and they're constantly adding and pushing back what it means to beat the game. I have a career and family damnit, haha.
Right you are! For some reason, I was conflating the Tomb Raider misses as an Ubisoft thing rather than an SE thing.
GaaS market getting crowded. You have to be real particular with which of these games to pick up because you can't play them all.
For what it's worth I did enjoy it as a one time play-through with my buddy but we spent 40 hours total on the game and completely skipped whole parts of it like Dark Zone and PvP.
For what it's worth I did enjoy it as a one time play-through with my buddy but we spent 40 hours total on the game and completely skipped whole parts of it like Dark Zone and PvP.
The GaaS bubble is popping.
There just isn't enough room in this industry for 10 new GaaS every year. There's only so much playtime to go around.
There just isn't enough room in this industry for 10 new GaaS every year. There's only so much playtime to go around.
Yep. Plus the patches were all over the fucking place with nerfing and buffing.
Wonder if they'll ever make it F2P in the hopes of recouping some sort of playerbase and some money.
The difference is Borderlands 3 is actually a great game and you can totally be satisfied with beating it once and coming back occasionally.
Ubisoft is fairly open on their calls yeah.
Maybe European financial reporting standards?
Dunno
I feel like most Ubisoft titles are live service games with a strong multiplayer focus these days. So in a way their games are fighting for the same crowd of gamers who are interested in those type of games. And I doubt most of those people play more than 2 or 3 live service games at a time since they require you to be actively playing the game almost daily.
There's bound to be unsuccessful titles considering all that.
There's bound to be unsuccessful titles considering all that.
Having never-ending, weekly content loot games is exhausting for me overall. I can handle 1 or so game like that before I feel overwhelmed and even then it depends on my schedule.
Well, at least we got this out of it.
I really liked the game but the end game updates trickled in too slowly. I also haven't felt like putting in more than 60 hours into a game for about the last 5 years.
I really liked the game but the end game updates trickled in too slowly. I also haven't felt like putting in more than 60 hours into a game for about the last 5 years.
It has to eventually.
I loved D1 but bounced off of D2 before I could even finish the campaign. I eventually did finish it and played around through like two world tiers before I dropped it permanently. It's just too samey after D1 and the setting doesn't allow for anything interesting. You're still just finding higher number M4s.
Honestly, I mostly forgot this game ever even came out.
I just bought it for 20 dollars, and while I haven't finished the main campaign yet, it really is just more of the same without the incredible NY setting. I'm sorry, but Washington D.C. does nothing for me the more I play. I was playing it with a cousin and he dropped the game very fast stating something was off about this sequel and it was probably not done by the same original team.
On a positive note, it does look spectacular and you can tell they've really poured a lot of time into side-mission "dungeons''. They look incredibly detailed and that's a big step up from the first game.
For me it wasn't only that. Division 2 was released with less content than its predecessor, what felt like a smaller map and almost no reason to stay invested until new DLC drops.
I strongly dislike these game sequels which launch in a worse state than before (eg. Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, Division 2). Some titles can be fixed and still be successful later on but due to every game being GaaS nowadays they're better off not releasing a third game but using these games as a platform for the next years. Basically: make glorified MMOs.
The thing with these games is that the issue isn't even money - it's the issue that these games ask for more hours than people have to give them. These games require way, way too much time.
I can get a much more fulfilling game for a third of the time commitment that these games expect me to give then.
I can get a much more fulfilling game for a third of the time commitment that these games expect me to give then.
Game switched up to much and got rid of the good foundation they had at the end of Division 1. Now they been struggling to get back to that.
Games been bleeding players and they haven't been able to bring many back.
Wouldn't be surprised if the franchise died here but maybe Ubisoft will allow a 3rd one idk
Games been bleeding players and they haven't been able to bring many back.
Wouldn't be surprised if the franchise died here but maybe Ubisoft will allow a 3rd one idk
Glad you like it, but this can't be blamed on gamers. Ubisoft got greedy.
TU6 got some players back, but for the players who are looking into more content, they should look elsewhere
I did, and division 2 was amazing......until it ran out of content a month in. Then the Season of Opulence dropped in Destiny 2 and I was out and never looked back.
IMHO why did they not continue building on Div1 instead of launching a sequel. Should've learned that from Destiny 2.
THIS. The actual gameplay was pretty decent, but the inventory management and grinding was too much. Every time going back to it felt like a chore, like tidying up the garage or mowing a massive lawn. I found myself just sighing when I booted it up and realising I had no inventory space left, then having to sort through everything. Boring, stressful, and endless. Like a really shitty menial job.
Just make it a linear shooter. Would have been amazing.
I got the gold edition and have hardly played it despite having looked forward to it. It turned me off quickly because it didn't feel well suited to being played alone which I wanted to do at first. I grew frustrated and by now I know firmly I don't want these overwhelming "2nd job games" anymore in my life.