Ubisoft deserves more credit for being able to regularly release huge story driven graphically impressive open world games across multiple platforms

nizerifin · Dec 20, 2020

This is a post you'd make if Ubisoft wasn't profiting handsomely off of the games they make. They are appreciated and consumers show it with their wallets.

Shouldn't we instead revile Ubisoft for churning out a steady stream of sequels? Isn't that a bit of a lazy way to make your money? I mean, what are we on, Assassin's Creed 12?

Kupo Kupopo · Dec 20, 2020

i'm with you, op. thinking the same thing today. whatever your personal preferences, you gotta hand it to ubi for being able to release big-budget, gorgeous, mechanically sound open-world games. realized today that i had as much or more fun with watch dogs legion as i am with cyberpunk 2077, & that's due to a large extent to this very fact - the game's solidly built, & works as advertized...

Kaswa101 · Dec 20, 2020

noeybys said:
How about this people:
Let's give credit to the devs working at Ubisoft for managing to do what OP's describing.

Yep

JaggiBaggi · Dec 20, 2020

AppleBlade said:
FLAME SHIELD ON (Because I know the hate is come from the Ubisoft haters).

Yes, I'm pretty sure the proven sexual abuse cases and all the shit going on in Ubisoft is also "haters".

Dphex · Dec 20, 2020

AppleBlade said:
I am kind of impressed that they managed to release Watchdogs: Legion

What? this game was broken af on release, countless crashes on the Pro. it is also clearly unfinished. (even after 6 months delay!)

both games were released in a mediocre technical state to profit from the next gen console releases, why should anyone applaud them for that?

KartuneDX said:
Actually I don't think Ubisoft has received nearly as much shit as is due for them. CDPR is the hot topic but Ubisoft ain't any better.

this.

and i would add Sony to the list too, PS5 software is also beta tier with glitches, bugs and stuff, many newer games crash(even first party games like the Spider-Man games), rest mode issues, external drive problems, internal drive slot disabled, disc drive spins up every hour for no reason, coil whine and so on.

not to mention the fuck ups leading up to the release and somehow people are still fine with all this which is ridiculous to me.

devSin said:
Certainly, they deserve credit in managing a massive global workforce that hits targets and delivers polished games.

"Polished" is the last word i would use for Ubisoft games, the jank is always strongly visible.

Jamesways · Dec 20, 2020

I give their studios huge credit for the support they give to some games.

The amount of new content they keep puttingfor R6 Siege and For Honor is crazy.

In FH, we're in year 4 Season 4 and there's a new hero, tons of new armor and weapons, new map changes, new timed events, and testing grounds for rebalancing changes for 4 more characters.

That's awesome.

But yeah terrible company that everyone should hate and boycott etc etc.

TheOther1andOnly · Dec 20, 2020

They're making the same game for the most part. It's like giving credit to McDonalds for being able to make a consistent burger with buns, beef, and cheese. The configurations for their games may be different, but the gameplay systems are all the same, hence why people say ubisoft style open world game .

painey · Dec 20, 2020

Watch Dogs Legion was literally broken for Xbox for a month after launch .Fuck Ubisoft.

icecold1983 · Dec 20, 2020

I dont see how their open world games can be considered story driven. Id imagine they have figured out some level of automation considering you basically do the same thing over and over just in different parts of the map.

Necromanti · Dec 20, 2020

Shining Star said:
You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to Ubisoft.

I was literally thinking of that same dril tweet. (And I never think of dril.)

JonaB1986 · Dec 20, 2020

Yet Ubisoft can't seem to get out a patch to fix main quest breaking bugs in AC Valhalla for more than a month.

SolidSnakeUS · Dec 20, 2020

Ubisoft is the "8/10 score" publisher of the gaming world. They don't make bad games often, but man they don't make many games that make you want to go, "I need this. I need this day one."

And you know, they can go fuck themselves with all the sexual allegations/stories. No fucking way Yves didn't know about any of this.

Putty · Dec 20, 2020

The last 4 Ass Creed titles have all be excellent. Not so much WD series, though WD2 was best of the 3 by quite a margin.

kambaybolongo · Dec 20, 2020

I'll give them credit once they make a genuinely great game

SmartBase · Dec 20, 2020

Kizuna said:
Absolutely not.

Ubisoft is the symbol of uninspired games without a strong creative vision, produced by teams distributed throughout the world, whose only goal is to churn out requisite amounts of "content" because, as we all know, more equals better. It stands for everything that's wrong with AAA.

I like this post, well put.

Redbarrel · Dec 20, 2020

I have it on good authority that the reason why people don't find bugs on Ubisoft games is because no one ever get past the 30 minute mark, so it's easy to make only the tutorial polished.

But seriously, Assassins Creed is boring.

stefanomusilli96 · Dec 20, 2020

They protected sexual abusers and pretty nothing was done about it. That's all the credit I'll give this company.

Schreckstoff · Dec 20, 2020

Because they always make the same game ba dum ts.

They got what a thousand people working on these games? It's impressive but they are just a very very big company. And they still can't make an AC character not awkwardly jump down ledges or jump to their death instead of onto scaffolding.

Khanimus · Dec 20, 2020

Barn said:
I think a company valued at around $4 billion known for rampant sexual abuse and weirdly right-leaning but insistently "apolitical" theming will be just fine without more credit.

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Fuck em, they don't need "more credit" while protecting predators within their workplace.

Deleted member 45414 · Dec 20, 2020

Considering Ubisoft just follows the exact same ducking template and literally educates people to make said template, big whoop? Also Ubisoft games have had notoriously broken games too, remember Unity? Christ

Remember watchdogs 1?

Arcus Felis · Dec 20, 2020

Barn said:
I think a company valued at around $4 billion known for rampant sexual abuse and weirdly right-leaning but insistently "apolitical" theming will be just fine without more credit.

First answer nails it.

Maverick-Swe · Dec 20, 2020

I'm so tired of games from Ubisoft. They all share the same formula, open world, bunch of quests, very small story.
Been playing Valhalla now for 60 hours. Have about 60 hours more left and I'm only playing it because the history interests me. But the game's story is so weak and uninteresting.

Why can't Ubisoft make interesting new games? Instead of copy and paste.

Tankshell · Dec 20, 2020

AC Valhalla is easily my GOTY, they deserve credit just for that.

benzopil · Dec 20, 2020

Valhalla is incredible, and hopefully more people will play it after they refund Cyberpunk

Anoxida · Dec 20, 2020

Maverick-Swe said:
I'm so tired of games from Ubisoft. They all share the same formula, open world, bunch of quests, very small story.
Been playing Valhalla now for 60 hours. Have about 60 hours more left and I'm only playing it because the history interests me. But the game's story is so weak and uninteresting.

Why can't Ubisoft make interesting new games? Instead of copy and paste.

They did. It's called Immortals Fenyx Rising (which no one is buying). Not that it does anything NEW new, but it definitely have a different feel than their other games since it actually feels like the game has a lot of heart.

Xx 720 · Dec 20, 2020

Immortals Fenyx Rising is a jewel, my fav Ubisoft title ever.

Sid · Dec 20, 2020

alr1ght said:
It kinda helps that most of their games are fundamentally the same. They're going to have far less bugs because of it.

Seriously, it's like the same game over and over again with the same 7-8 quests multiplied by 100

KillingJoke · Dec 20, 2020

No offense but this is like praising EA for releasing a pasable football game every year.

TraderPoe · Dec 20, 2020

They have the COD/Madden formulas, they use the same engine and mechanics for so many of their games to keep that pipeline. How many times have we see. Haystacks all over every ac game

TheMadTitan · Dec 20, 2020

Assembly line game development works wonders. As annoying as it is, I'm surprised it doesn't happen as often from others.

Like, what if Capcom used used Devil May Cry 5 as the foundation to spin out Onimusha and Final Fight and then used the developments made in those two to make DMC6.

Mass_Pincup · Dec 20, 2020

Maverick-Swe said:
I'm so tired of games from Ubisoft. They all share the same formula, open world, bunch of quests, very small story.
Been playing Valhalla now for 60 hours. Have about 60 hours more left and I'm only playing it because the history interests me. But the game's story is so weak and uninteresting.

Why can't Ubisoft make interesting new games? Instead of copy and paste.

If only From Software could be held to the same standard in this forum...

cvbas · Dec 20, 2020

It is true that Cyberpunk is a big reminder of how hard it is to create big open world games and release them in multiple platforms at once and it is true that Ubisoft is generally very efficient, but it feels like really bad taste to have a thread praising them after all the shit that was revealed this year, not to mention the mobile game in which they compared BLM to a terrorist organization.

I like their games (as I like ND and CDPR and Rockstar's game), but these companies can do without all these praised directed to them - instead of elements of the games themselves. Putting companies on a pedestal help to create environments in which different kinds of abuse can happen and people will still defend them for it (see: CDPR, ND).

(And even then Ubi is not even that good. At least not on PC. WD Legions runs worse than Cyberpunk and AC Unity was basically unplayable when it released)

just_myles · Dec 20, 2020

They have been making multi platform games for decades, they have a large global staff, and are well funded. I would expect nothing less.

cvbas · Dec 20, 2020

Mass_Pincup said:
If only From Software could be held to the same standard in this forum...

From Software's games are infinitely more focused experiences with a lot of thought put into every single encounter and design decision. And Sekiro is a very different experience from Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3.

And this is coming from someone who has AC: Odyssey in their Top 15 list of the generation.

Sky87 · Dec 20, 2020

I agree, they make the best open world games (along with Rockstar). AC Valhalla is fantastic and the AC games have been the best they've ever been since they released Origins. Immortals also has tons of praise. Watch Dogs was just OK though.

Mass_Pincup · Dec 20, 2020

Cubas said:
From Software's games are infinitely more focused experiences with a lot of thought put into every single encounter and design decision. And Sekiro is a very different experience from Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3.

And this is coming from someone who has AC: Odyssey in their Top 15 list of the generation.

Doesn't change the fact that they've been using the same template for more than 10 years now.

There's arguably less differences between Sekiro and Dark Souls then there is between Assassin's Creed Unity and Odyssey.

Rodrigues solitaire · Dec 20, 2020

TraderPoe said:
They have the COD/Madden formulas, they use the same engine and mechanics for so many of their games to keep that pipeline. How many times have we see. Haystacks all over every ac game

That's like saying how many times have we seen chocobos in a final fantasy game

Shelbyville Milhouse · Dec 20, 2020

They have a basic template that they keep on iterating since basically Far Cry 3/Assassin's Creed 2.
That's not a bad thing but also not super impressive to me.

Radium217 · Dec 20, 2020

They don't really anymore.

They were much better a few years ago. Wildlands, FC Primal, WD 1 and 2, Black Flag and Unity days.

Now compare that to: Valhalla, Breakpoint, Legion, FC5, Immortals.

They are not all terrible games but certainly they are all fairly stale and don't seem to be pushing any boundaries/they are just derivative and we all know why the games now have been so creatively bankrupt. I think they will turn it around but ultimately Ubisoft was a more impressive company a few years ago. It's made worse by all the revelations of the past year.

In short, I believe they are nowhere near as good as they used to be or achieving anywhere close to what they are capable of and I look forward to respectable people replacing the rot that set in and seeing what they come up with.

Snefer · Dec 20, 2020

JamFlan said:
Assassin's Creed has had like 1,000 staff members and each game is made over four years.

Both TLOU2 and RDR2 had like 2,000 staff members and were developed over six years.

Rockstar and Naughty Dog have both also been reported to utilize heavy crunch, while we've heard nothing of the sort for Ubisoft.

Animations could definitely use more work, but resources put into each game are a contributing factor as well.

Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if TLOU2 and/or RDR2 had more man hours put into each one than have been put into Star Citizen.

TLOU2 didnt have 2000 staff on it, that includes contractors who may have only touched the game for a couple of days. So 2000 staff * 6 years is not accurate math at all. Ubisoft has tons of staff, sure, but they are not on the game all the time, and at once. There is not 1000 people working on AC for four years. Maybe cut that number in half for a cloer estimate of average staffing.

dodo · Dec 20, 2020

VaanXSnake · Dec 20, 2020

SunBroDave said:
Friend. This forum is the wrong place to say anything positive about Ubisoft

You're right though

Yup this, Ubisoft hate was there way before sexual misconduct allegations but Inthink you're right overall.

R1CHO · Dec 20, 2020

The only reason there are no more complaints about the Legion state, specially on PC, it's because it's a bad game and people just don't care enough, also because you can "rent" it instead of buying it.

On my end, it runs worse than Cyberpunk, looks worse than Cyberpunk, and it crashed to desktop like 5 times in 3 hours of gameplay.

Raigor · Dec 20, 2020

No fucking shit when you have 40 studios and over 19,000 employees.

No shit you can release several games every year across multiple platform.

CarlSagan94 · Dec 20, 2020

CONCHOBAR said:
Yes, preemptively labeling anyone who disagrees with you a hater is a great way to open up discussion.

Yea this. This part of the OPs post clearly shows the OP is not interested in having a discussion/debate and just wants an echo chamber.

And frankly Ubisoft deserves a lot more heat for all the disgusting crap thats been going on in their offices.

Le Dude · Dec 20, 2020

Snefer said:
TLOU2 didnt have 2000 staff on it, that includes contractors who may have only touched the game for a couple of days. So 2000 staff * 6 years is not accurate math at all. Ubisoft has tons of staff, sure, but they are not on the game all the time, and at once. There is not 1000 people working on AC for four years. Maybe cut that number in half for a cloer estimate of average staffing.

Well obviously. I'm not saying that the average staffing was that high, just that the number of people who contributed is much higher. The fact of the matter remains that more people worked on TLOU2 and RDR2, and the games were made over a longer period of time. Hence why those games have nearly unparallelled production values.

Deleted member 13370 · Dec 20, 2020

Ubi has by far the most impressive production line in the industry. I don't like their games much but I completely respect that they are very good at just pumping out both quality and quantity at a stable pace with reasonably low amounts of overtime.

The sexual harassment and political stuff going on at Ubi is awful but I really think it's quite juvenile to not be able to separate them out and discuss the logistics of game development.

GeoGonzo · Dec 20, 2020

Barn said:
I think a company valued at around $4 billion known for rampant sexual abuse and weirdly right-leaning but insistently "apolitical" theming will be just fine without more credit.

I know it has been said a few times but excellent first answer here. Their games being derivative or not is completely irrelevant compared to these other facts. Ubisoft deserves no credit at all.

Ciao · Dec 20, 2020

SolidSnakeUS said:
Ubisoft is the "8/10 score" publisher of the gaming world. They don't make bad games often, but man they don't make many games that make you want to go, "I need this. I need this day one."

And you know, they can go fuck themselves with all the sexual allegations/stories. No fucking way Yves didn't know about any of this.

My exact answer.

arcadepc · Dec 20, 2020

Ubisoft have also a big stepping in both Europe and USA and Canada, while Rockstar and ND are also boosted via Playstation brand worldwide.

CDPR presence in North America does not look as solid, relying mostly on computer game sales that have a stronger presence in Europe, eg compare tw3 console vs PC sales.
Culturally too, like with Kingdom Come Deliberance. This made them skip the "Rennaisance" you see in console games regarding representation and worldwide appeal, though with strict control over the content.

That makes damage control much harder. Were they from USA, I doubt Sony would delist their game.

Ubisoft deserves more credit for being able to regularly release huge story driven graphically impressive open world games across multiple platforms

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