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Ubi-"Our games are not political!"-soft has some real non-political content in WD:Legion
- Thread starter Klyka
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All watch dogs are extreme political and in good ways. Its funny they say they aren't but they are typically on the best side of things politically
The game director has said in the past that this game is not apolitical.
The people doing the corporate & product PR and the devs and writers actually creating the game have very different objectives.
Just because the executives try and push a narrative that their games aren't political doesn't mean the actual game creators feel the same way.
Just because the executives try and push a narrative that their games aren't political doesn't mean the actual game creators feel the same way.
The game is full of subtle and not so subtle shitting on fascism and stuff like brexit.
Just like the director said but ERA ignored because of 'LOL UBISOFT NOT POLITICAL'
There's more, a lot more.
I mean, it's hacker hipsters against the Man in a contemporary-future dystopian post-Brexit London where the bad guys are tech execs and mercenary corp CEOs perpetuating a police state. Minus some of those specifics, this series has always been on that angle, really.
It's 6 minutes into the future from the eyes of highly informed rebels staging a semi-revolution, so you have a lot of talking points that are innately political and non-subtly linked to current affairs, often through channels like podcast discussions, numerous scavengeable opinion pieces, even random dialogue between two idling NPCs.
If anything, the naturalistic dialogue is what impresses me most. I s'pose everyone's listened to enough podcasts/talk shows and can relate to the topics at hand well enough that they can mimic people just shooting the breeze quite smoothly..!!
Story still is a bit of a sham, though.
I mean, it's hacker hipsters against the Man in a contemporary-future dystopian post-Brexit London where the bad guys are tech execs and mercenary corp CEOs perpetuating a police state. Minus some of those specifics, this series has always been on that angle, really.
It's 6 minutes into the future from the eyes of highly informed rebels staging a semi-revolution, so you have a lot of talking points that are innately political and non-subtly linked to current affairs, often through channels like podcast discussions, numerous scavengeable opinion pieces, even random dialogue between two idling NPCs.
If anything, the naturalistic dialogue is what impresses me most. I s'pose everyone's listened to enough podcasts/talk shows and can relate to the topics at hand well enough that they can mimic people just shooting the breeze quite smoothly..!!
Story still is a bit of a sham, though.
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This might have just sold me on a copy of Legions. Just gotta wait for them to fix the Xbox version.
Humorous background radio chatter for their hacking game doesn't really cancel out decades of violent right-wing fantasies about murdering Black and Brown people, or their ongoing direct partnership with the US military.
It's just a shame that this kind of content is tied to the rest of the game, which does not take the topic as seriously because it's more important to be a whacky game for streamers where you can put a pig mask on a machine gun-wielding grandma and ride drones through the air because good God, isn't that just fucking funny.
Or maybe it's a good thing because exposure™, I don't know. The tone of the game just doesn't work for me at all.
Or maybe it's a good thing because exposure™, I don't know. The tone of the game just doesn't work for me at all.
The pig mask may seem "funny" and whacky, but it's an overt British reference to Piggate.
Yes, it is more important to be a fun game first. Don't equip the pig mask and drone if you don't like them.
I am so into this not just because it's a very cool way of delivering common sense and facts, but it also adds a ton as far as realistic UK radio goes. Very impressive and I'd like to see a lot more of this in games.
This will always be the issue as long as you're tied to the kind of AAA games Ubisoft is making. There are clearly people on those teams that care very deeply and put in a lot of effort but it's always weighed down by other dumb ass decisions that will always happen in that environment. It was the same with Watchdogs 2 (which I think is a way better game than Legion overall). That game has some of my favorite writing in the more recent Ubisoft games but even that game suffers from tonal clashes and thematic confusion because, at the end of the day, it is still that kind of videogame. I'm also just gonna leave this here.
I keep re-reading this, but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you mean if they assign a political lean to their game but fall short it looks worse than if they say it's apolitical but lean slightly left?
This is true, how is that not an option in a game released in 2020. I would love to put that stuff on in the background while I collect shit or do other mindless sidestuff but apparently you cannot.
Yesterday in this game I
- Protected Stormzy making a music video after he goes on a full blown rant about the people in power and claiming he is the one thing that scares them, a black man with money and a voice
- Stopped a joined effort between the British police and an anti-immigrant hate group who were working together to provoke immigrants who would likely resort to violence to capture it on the news to further increase anti-immigrant attitudes in England
It is tonally jarring, but the game is actively political
- Protected Stormzy making a music video after he goes on a full blown rant about the people in power and claiming he is the one thing that scares them, a black man with money and a voice
- Stopped a joined effort between the British police and an anti-immigrant hate group who were working together to provoke immigrants who would likely resort to violence to capture it on the news to further increase anti-immigrant attitudes in England
It is tonally jarring, but the game is actively political
Yeah, it's a buummer, one of my primary pet issues. >_<
I still do not know why they removed the ability to access your own personal device/optik, or at least give the option to browse music while on foot, because LO, I think some ambient tracks or radio background noise would really help alleviate the occasional feeling of emptiness throughout the game space.
Handling's a little awkward in general -- everytime you exit a vehicle, for instance, whatever song or podcast/show that was playing when you did restarts when you re-enter it. As in, it begins all over again. So if you were midway through a podcast, for one, and get out the vehicle to hack an ETO off some board, you will have to listen to it all from the beginning. And then repeat, whenever you get out for something else.
Because it comes across as cowardly, and bullshit because everything is fucking political. It is beyond absurd for the fucking TOM CLANCY people to say they don't make political games. The opening of Division 2 literally opening with some gun owner fear mongering "With no police to protect you, did YOU OWN A GUN? Did your NEIGBOR?" shit, and then saying 'no politics here!' is just... bullshit.
They'd be better off not commenting at all than saying dumb shit like they're "definitely not making any political statements." Which they literally said. About Tom Clancy's The Division 2.
AFAIR it was an Option in Watch Dogs 2. I wonder why they cut it.
Basically, whenever Ubisoft says "their games are non political" it is usually marketing trying to sell the game with left wing values in it to people who lean towards the right.
Division 2 has logs basically mocking the entire "Trump's increase fear mongering of Mexicans and illegal immigrants" by saying America was trying to ask Mexico to aid citizens due to the virus outbreak but Mexico refused and then American's were being caught trying to cross the border and flee into Mexico to get away from the virus.
Yeah, that's a badass listen.
Like, I'm not *that* far in WD:L, but this game has some dope revolutionary attitude to it and feels relevant and, dare I say it, important. It *is* Ubisoft, but I mean, when you're instilling revolutionary ideology in the proletariat it's both hilarious and on-fucking-point to do so vis-a-vis the enemy's own products.
Like, I'm not *that* far in WD:L, but this game has some dope revolutionary attitude to it and feels relevant and, dare I say it, important. It *is* Ubisoft, but I mean, when you're instilling revolutionary ideology in the proletariat it's both hilarious and on-fucking-point to do so vis-a-vis the enemy's own products.
It definitely was, I played WD2 fairly recently. I wonder if it's because Legion was rushed out the door, probably easy to overlook simple stuff like this when time is short.
There are a lot of features from WD2 that did not make their way into Legion
That was some really nicely written text. Can't say I expected something like that from this game. Or any Ubisoft game for that matter.
Yeah, that was some perfect timing lmao
It reads as non-committal in its beliefs and its thesis.
And fuck, Far Cry 5 is the worst example of it. Basically every games podcast I listened to when that game came out basically said "this is not the game we were previewed and pitched on." They made a decidedly different stance in the behind-closed-doors demos, which made a bunch of people go "ooo this might read as too current!" which seemingly made Ubi back off on the more overt shit it initially was setting out to say.
I love the talk radio channel so much. It sounds naturalistic, and there is some goid political, tech and philosophical chat on there. It really reminds me of being back in Blighty, and if they had DLC talk radio alone, I would get it. For me (and I maybe alone here), it really elevates the game. And its seriously interesting. Not the kind of extreme crazy you get in GTA talk channels.
That huge FOX sign was sent from the god damn heavens! OOOOF.
Can't wait to play this game when my 3080 finally gets here... One day... Aaaany day now...
Can't wait to play this game when my 3080 finally gets here... One day... Aaaany day now...
Yeah, was about to say this. He's gone on record with quite a few outlets saying the game definitely has a message.
Too bad that the game as a whole is just uninteresting and boring.
I'm actually impressed, I might check it out one day.
I was expecting it to be used purely as a setting and I was really not in the mood for that or 'just go around and change a few billboards and everything will be fine' which it seemed to be.
I was expecting it to be used purely as a setting and I was really not in the mood for that or 'just go around and change a few billboards and everything will be fine' which it seemed to be.
