Because Uber has conditioned you into thinking you're not exploiting underpaid labor when you use their service.
But I should be clear, it's Uber who is doing the exploiting, and we're being taken along for the ride.
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Uber passengers don't tip very much it seems...
- Thread starter BigHatPaul
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But I should be clear, it's Uber who is doing the exploiting, and we're being taken along for the ride.
ya'll not tipping, are you the same people that would defend waiter/waitress's getting tips? tip your drivers.
alright so do the basic math then... pay a few dollars now on a 20 dollar trip, or uber pays their drivers more and your trip is actually more expensive. I don't understand, people are mad that the cost is already too high... the cost will be MORE if uber pays their drivers what they deserve. Uber as it is, is bleeding money.
this would make more sense if uber began as a sustainable business model that treated its workers well but it didn't
yup
I don't, but that's only cause I drove when they didn't have the built in tip system (In fact they encouraged riders not to tip) and in that time I got exactly one tip so maybe I'm a little salty.
Edit: actually I did tip once because I got an Uber in NJ and took a ride to NY where the guy wasn't cleared to pick up more rides so he had to drive back to NJ with no fares and I felt bad.
Edit: actually I did tip once because I got an Uber in NJ and took a ride to NY where the guy wasn't cleared to pick up more rides so he had to drive back to NJ with no fares and I felt bad.
"This person literally took my life in their hands and got me safely to my destination".
Now that I think about it, I feel better about tipping Uber drivers than I do waitstaff at restaurants though I do both. Still wish the whole concept didn't exist but it's never going away.
Now that I think about it, I feel better about tipping Uber drivers than I do waitstaff at restaurants though I do both. Still wish the whole concept didn't exist but it's never going away.
So my question is, do you think as many people would use Uber if it was more expensive from the outset? It's unustainable no matter how you spin it. It's a premium service at a convenient (super cheap) cost. It never would've took hold the way it did, and the concept would be no different then a cab service.
I'm not mad it costs so much. I look at the app, see the cost, and factor a tip into it. It's like going out to eat: I don't just not tip because my meal cost $10 and I don't want to pay a dime more than that. It's shitty behavior.
But the workers were already underpaid before people asked for tipping; tipping in this case isn't allowing Uber to lower what they pay their workers beyond the unsustainable wages they started with. It just helps people trying to get by
Its not mad expensive relative to the competition. A cab would cost you far more
False equivalency. On AirBnB the owners set the rate for their services. Uber drivers do not and are underpaid.
I only tip if the driver is friendly, if they're rude or take a weird route then they dont get anything. I think out of my 20 rides i've tipped 2 drivers. Having moved to the states from europe i have to say that i hate the tipping culture here. I get why its there, but its just shit and makes me feel like a bad person if i dont tip someone. Bleh.
I look at it like this:
Uber provides a service but does not treat their employees well. That gives me two options (as long as we live in a society that allows businesses to get away with under paying):
1.) Dont use that service
2.) Use that service but try to make up the difference through tipping
What isnt an option to me is using the service, not tipping, but then pretending I have morals about how companies treat their employees.
right, it's definitely unsustainable but that doesn't mean I'm going to underpay the drivers while I use it
Not your fault. But if you're taking part in it and using these unfair practices to benefit yourself without, at the very least, tipping your driver, then yeah sure that's kind of shitty.
I don't know if it works like Lyft but on that app you have to go back in and "finalize" the ride with a rating and an optional tip. Most of the time I do it but sometimes I forget and after 24 hours it just closes the tab and you can't leave a tip or rating anymore. On top of that, I also sometimes get really shitty drivers and kind of "forget" to tip and rate because there is just nothing nice to say, but nothing bad enough to formally complain or give a terrible rating for.
Then don't use the service. You're not hurting uber by not tipping your drivers, your hurting the driver. Doesn't matter either way, again ride sharing won't be around much longer, the concept is beyond unsustainable. We need to beef up public transit and focus on that.
?? yes it is an option because the tip bridges that moral gap
EDIT misread oops
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And here lies the rub. The second they raise prices, people will stop using it and return to using cabs or public transit. Honestly transportation was BETTER without uber/lyft, it has destroyed Boston for instance, but I get why it's helpful.
I've never ran an airbnb, but don't owners get to choose how much to charge for their place?
Uber drivers don't get to choose how much to charge for a trip.
Tipping serve a purpose in encouraging and rewarding a superior quality of service. As an example, if I get a 20€ haircut and I think the hair stylist did a good job, I'd add 2€ as tip.
Altought the practice is distorded in the US where cheap business owners saw this as a way to underpay their employees by turning tipping into a "hidden" cost for the customers.
You guys should pass some laws not to remove tipping entirely, but to make it optional. Do that and you'll see the service quality improve, and employees will be better paid.
Altought the practice is distorded in the US where cheap business owners saw this as a way to underpay their employees by turning tipping into a "hidden" cost for the customers.
You guys should pass some laws not to remove tipping entirely, but to make it optional. Do that and you'll see the service quality improve, and employees will be better paid.
The problem with that is it reduces business' bottom lines and that apparently is communism now and it won't happen here.
Seriously, takes like the one you quoted are so stupid.
"shitty, greedy capitalist are creating these services that mistreat and underpay their employees. They should burn in hell while their service falls apart. But until then, I'm going to engage in the system and use that service as often as I can".
Use public transportation if you don't want to tip and don't have a car folks.
whoops I misread your second point, we are actually saying the same thing my bad!!
The rides are already overpriced. It's the company's fault for not splitting the profits correctly. I only tip them when they give me a water or something.
The service you're getting is ridiculously cheap. If you want the capitalists to fix it, it's not going to be nearly as cheap or convenient. I'm sorry that makes no sense to you.
Your argument is "the people up top won't change, so fuck it right?" It's the same concept as people who say they're not changing their habits to help the climate if rich people won't.
edit- and again you not tipping your driver or your waiter isn't you saying fuck capitalism, it's you giving the big man their money and fucking over the little guy.
Yeah, I tip around $1 per $5 unless they do dumb shit like go the totally wrong way instead of following GPS. Uber/Lyft drivers don't make shit here, I tried doing it for a few weeks while unemployed last year and was averaging $10/hour, factor in how much gas I was using and wear on my car it was 1000% not worth it. Uber and Lyft are dirt cheap anyway so it's not really a big deal and I view them as "luxuries" for when I'm going out for a night or something.
If you couldn't afford to tip, you'd use a bus or carpool.
It's a reason for not supporting the business as a consumer if you realize that the base pay is inherently unfair to the driver. Or maybe it's not, apparently.
It's not your problem if you don't want it to be. But it's fair for other people to call you out on that, too
You tip taxi drivers. You don't tip ambulances, but I'd like to think that you get that ambulance drivers don't make similar pay to Uber drivers. Nor do bus drivers. But sure, let's compare those trades.
"I don't tip my pilot, do I?"
I find this interesting because when I was a kid, the only times you were expected to tip were a waiter, a bus boy, a valet, and your taxi driver. Now-a-days, we're supposed to tip for haircuts, coffee, carry-out, maid services, delivery people, trash collectors, frick' anybody you might make eye contact with when you're paying for something, they're supposed to get another 15%. I generally do, but it's expensive and exhausting.
I don't Uber, I sometimes use Lyft. I've always tipped thus far, even when the ride was really bad. I was really torn over it. Seriously, he was running stop signs, darting in and out of traffic, and speeding like 20 over. It was pretty terrifying. But there's that pressure.
I don't Uber, I sometimes use Lyft. I've always tipped thus far, even when the ride was really bad. I was really torn over it. Seriously, he was running stop signs, darting in and out of traffic, and speeding like 20 over. It was pretty terrifying. But there's that pressure.
this
but also if im going to tip uber/lyft or door dash type of thing, i'm going to give the driver cash, because at least i know its going to them.
But you expect customer to tip anyway? So it's already more expensive.