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U.S. Soccer says the women's team should be paid less because they just aren't as good as the men's team
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Perhaps they do as to qualify for the World Cup the USMNT play 16 to 18 games across the Americas over a two year period whereas the USWNT play five games on home ground over a two week period.
That's a pretty convenient explanation for every loss to say you weren't serious. If you train badly, you play badly.
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Okay then you ARE trying to make the case that teenage boys are better than the women's national team. As if the women's national team is gonna go all out against abunch of kids. Jesus Christ.
To use a just for fun scrimmage as ammo to push your obvious agenda is embarrassing and transparent.
You really like putting words into people's mouths. Might wanna change that if you want to convince someone.
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I won't convince you of anything. You have made plain what you believe when it comes to women's sports.
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There you go again. When did I ever talk about women's sports in general? I was referring to the way things are in football.
And I stand by what I said earlier. The improvement and growth comes from the field and attending games. Let's keep politics out of sports.
In a straight up 11v11 the mens team wins every time but that is besides the point because Man Utd are one of the highest paid teams in world football (3rd I believe) but there are so many teams paid less that are far superior to them. We are talking about International football, all pay should be equal. On the club side it comes down to market size where the men will pull ahead.
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You literally used a scrimmage against children as a way to diminish and dismiss the skill and importance of the women's national team. You are just trolling at this point.
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Of course the team that failed to qualify for the world cup should be paid more than the world cup winners, that's just common sense, people!
When was the last time the US team was even in a world cup, outside the qualifying rounds anway? At this point, even accounting for the larger interest in male soccer teams, the women's team is probably bringing way more revenue, just on success alone.
They just missed one World Cup lately lol.
I think the main problem with the offer that the federation gave to the women was that the prize pool for international matches for men is (sadly) way higher than the one for women football, so men were making more even if they performed worse than women.
If politics were left out of sports, the men and women would be paid the same and this thread wouldn't exist.
I'm pretty sure teenage boys would give any women team a run for their money. You're really understimating how strong and fast the men's game is compared to the women's game. In particular, players in a club academies are on their way to professionalism and are certainly not slacker considering the majority of soccer players are born in their teenage years. Messi and Ronaldo didn't become a household names in their mid twenties.
The men don't get a salary and they're more like independent contractors only getting paid for appearances. Of course that's because their money comes from their clubs which is something the women completely lack hence why they bargained for a salary with the USSF.
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Were any world class generational players on that team? No? Oh it was just a scrimmage against kids? Okay.
A team of 15yr old boys are not able to beat the world champion women's national team. Stop trying to rationalize his ridiculous argument.
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I don't understand why people are lining up to try dismiss and downplay the accomplishments of the women's national team.
I mean I know what's going on obviously, but I don't understand why people are lining up to do it.
I mean I know what's going on obviously, but I don't understand why people are lining up to do it.
Whether or not the women's team would get beaten by teenagers in a serious game or their level of competition are irrelevant to the discussion, the only thing that matters is revenue. It wouldn't be a wild guess that within the US the women's side brings more revenue than the men, or at least the same.
I literally know nothing about either of these people, but let's do a quick thought experiment.
Megan Rapinoe, which would seem like a very unique name.
Tim Howard, which seems like it should pull up many generic results as well since both first and last name combined are rather generic/common.
Again, I don't watch football/US soccer. The above is just a super quick check. But that result sure is interesting, isn't it?
The worst/funny thing is, that this is coming from a guy who plays at the US male national team (aka the guys sho are the free victory ticket for the rest of the world not located in central america) shitting on the us female mational team (aka the girls who are without a doubt the strongest team in the world who most of the time win with huge leads)
It doesn't matter if men are better at playing because the women's team doesn't compete against men but rather other women.
So if it's "easy" for one team to be good because they are playing in the women's division, then it's just as "easy" for the other team to be good.
So if it's "easy" for one team to be good because they are playing in the women's division, then it's just as "easy" for the other team to be good.
There is a potential case to argue waiving some aspects of equal pay for certain fields like sport or entertainment, where you can't necessarily measure skill, and demand/appeal/success is more intangible
so I guess that means the men's US team will get paid less than the women's team
so I guess that means the men's US team will get paid less than the women's team
Guess what Donovan and Howard don't play for the men's team anymore. What have they done to be more than just players?
America likes to pretend that it's a meritocracy. The men haven't won shit ever. Most of us don't give a shit about soccer. Guess why I'm in a thread about it though? Cause the women ball out and stand for something.
Amazing and sad? Living under a rock? Why do we have to love soccer like the rest of the world? It's totally cool to like soccer. The majority of Americans don't and the rest of the world needs to be OK with that.
Women's football is just nowhere near the level of mens and only the US and one or two other countries care that it even exists. From an English point of view the best female international sides are well below championship level in the mens game.
Didn't Dallas' U15 side beat the USWNT?
It's irrelevant to the discussion as club and international football differ dramatically in terms of revenue. International should be equal pay no matter what.
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Do you really think the womens national team would have gone all out against abunch of kids?
I don't know. It was a friendly. But it's still not a good look, regardless. You don't set out to lose in football. Bad mindset and whatnot.
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If you are naive enough to believe that then I'm not gonna stop you. But I would suggest thinking a bit harder on the situation and the circumstances surrounding it.
In my opinion though if you believe a team of teenage boys can legitimately beat the best international women's team in the world then that says alot about your views when it comes to female athletes.
I don't view it as naivety. It's no secret that women's teams would be rolled over by men's teams.
It's just the prevalence of the sport as a "male" game. I'm a big fan of women's football but I'm not going to put the blinkers on and pretend there isn't a large gap in skill or ability (be it physical or whatever) between the men and women's game.
As I've said previous. I do think it's irrelevant to the international scene as that's different. You're representing your country and it should be equal, the success of the USWNT certainly makes a case for them being underpaid, if anything. They're a credit to the sport.
It's just the prevalence of the sport as a "male" game. I'm a big fan of women's football but I'm not going to put the blinkers on and pretend there isn't a large gap in skill or ability (be it physical or whatever) between the men and women's game.
As I've said previous. I do think it's irrelevant to the international scene as that's different. You're representing your country and it should be equal, the success of the USWNT certainly makes a case for them being underpaid, if anything. They're a credit to the sport.
Lol, don't try and paint this as some comment on women's ability in sport. That's ludicrous.
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I'm not trying to paint anything. I'm just going off of what you have said. And if you think teenage boys can beat the best women's international team in the world then that to me is very disrespectful and condescending in my opinion. It also tells me you don't think very highly of their skill.
A lot of these comparisons are very strange.
The level of competition the US women's team had in their world cup is not very high at all. The women's game internationally is just not at the same level.
Men's level of world cup competition is drastically higher, and anyone who watched both recent world cups would know this. The comparison between the performance of both teams in their respective world cups is nonsense.
To me it seems the Women's team is more popular and well known, and I imagine they bring in more revenue as well - if this is the case they should be paid more.
The level of competition the US women's team had in their world cup is not very high at all. The women's game internationally is just not at the same level.
Men's level of world cup competition is drastically higher, and anyone who watched both recent world cups would know this. The comparison between the performance of both teams in their respective world cups is nonsense.
To me it seems the Women's team is more popular and well known, and I imagine they bring in more revenue as well - if this is the case they should be paid more.
What the hell? I mean, if less people turn up to watch them play or only do so at a reduced ticket price, that seems a fair reason to pay them proportionally less. This could probably easily be corrected with more advertising budget though (because you know the mens team are getting more there...)
However if that isn't true, then they bring in the same amount of money, they absolutely should be paid the same proportion of sales
However if that isn't true, then they bring in the same amount of money, they absolutely should be paid the same proportion of sales
I'm guessing you've never played sports, but scrimmage or not, you always play to win.
it should be based on their viewer ship draw and sponsorship value etc etc. essentially pay them according to how much they bring in for you.
and for the USA's case the women would make more than the men cause they actually win.
and for the USA's case the women would make more than the men cause they actually win.
they should be paid more because of the bullshit inequality that means they need to work harder to come close to mens sports. i'm so happy to see womens sports becoming more popular.
I don't mean they don't play seriously. It's just the idea that the USMNT faces stiff competition all of the time is just not true.
England is one of the top teams in the world right now and Spain has gone strides in the past few years. Also, I don't get your last point. Is it supposed to be a bad thing that the women's teams are getting investment?
A scrimmage, actually. What people don't get about these U-15 games is that they aren't about winning, and a lot of times the women's teams use it to test their own youngsters or new tactics. Men's teams play scrimmages against amateur squads and sometimes don't win either, but it doesn't make the news.
Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term "scrimmage" in football. Is it a showpiece sort of game? Like a charity match or testimonial?
It is certainly stiffer than you give them credit. The US isnt Germany or Brazil, they shouldn't be expected to bulldoze teams, specially latinamerican teams that have strong football culture
To be fair to him, the CONCACAF federation (where US is located) is probably one of the weakest ones, with US and Mexico being the top teams on it (and Mexico tends to beat US most of the time). Still, the problem is that even for those WC qualifiers teh US male team probably makes as much money as the US women team winning the WC.
Men's team should watch how Rapinoe takes a free kick. That shot was beautiful last night against Japan.
They should be paid the same as the men when it comes to what the ussf offers so for example if the men make 500,000 a year and earn 10% of the tournament earnings.
That said it shouldnt be up to the ussf to make up the diff in the earnings. The men benefit from the fact the mens game is way more popular then the womans game world wide. Letting the men team earn more money from just showing up and getting there butts kicked
That said it shouldnt be up to the ussf to make up the diff in the earnings. The men benefit from the fact the mens game is way more popular then the womans game world wide. Letting the men team earn more money from just showing up and getting there butts kicked
