The Treaty is Amity is not a peace treaty but rather a treaty of friendship that also contains provisions for resolution of disputes through the International Court of Justice. It also was signed two decades prior to the Revolution and only still exists because both the US and Iran have used the Article of the treaty where both agree to the jurisdiction of the ICJ while ignoring the part about friendly relations.
No? The military conflict long predated Trump.
There was a thread a while back about a homeless person who stole a wallet, and then got punched so hard he died (or something like that), and the thread was filled with people blaming the victim who's wallet was stolen and thew the punch.
I'd love to cross compare that with people in this thread who suggest this is the USA's fault and not Iran's.
/end my thoughts that are barely worth the two cents
Last month there was that attack on the US embassy and the rocket that killed a US civilian contractor and injured 4 other US service members that might have also escalated things.
I'm constantly shocked by the degree of heartless dumbassery on display on this forum, and that post is like the perfect example.Soooo the victim isn't the guy who was beaten to death? There's a lot of off-base posts in this thread, but this post is very near the tippy top.
I was (gracefully and politely) unbanned, so maybe?
My guess is that there were alot of things going on in the sky that night. I assume alot of phones were aimed up.Why was that camera focusing on that plane in the first place before it was hit?
This has been said a million times already in this thread, but Iran had already shot at the Iraqi bases, and lots of people in Iran might have been expecting retaliation. In a world where we're all super connected to information and everyone has a smartphone, it's not odd for people to be filming the sky after hearing of outgoing missiles/potentially incoming retaliatory fire.Why was that camera focusing on that plane in the first place before it was hit?
Why was that camera focusing on that plane in the first place before it was hit?
I don't know about all of those conclusions, but this should highlight just how quickly and seemingly easily a mistake can be made and just how much those mistakes can cost.My current takeaway is Iran is actually completely incompetent. Can't hit a single one of their actual targets, accidentally kills hundreds of innocents. Hard to imagine it isn't an accident caused by increased provocations. Their military is a bunch of incompetent fuck ups. People been talking them up too long, they're actually bottom tier apparently.
No argument here. Definitely agree both parties led to escalation, that was my point, both countries/administrations contributed to the current tensions in Iran.The proper response would be to deescalate things. You know...so 176 innocent people don't die.
But hey, lets act like there's only one party involved in all this.... 🤷♂️
They're all to blame. It's 100% on Iran for shooting this plane down. The current administration also helped push the situation to where it was.
I think their attack on the bases was designed to be sufficient to show that they won't be bullied but not so strong to prompt a response. I don't think it's a sign of incompetence although shooting down the airliner is. Russia and the US have both made the same mistake so it's probably best not to have civilian flights in the air when the military is on edge.My current takeaway is Iran is actually completely incompetent. Can't hit a single one of their actual targets, accidentally kills hundreds of innocents. Hard to imagine it isn't an accident caused by increased provocations. Their military is a bunch of incompetent fuck ups. People been talking them up too long, they're actually bottom tier apparently.
My current takeaway is Iran is actually completely incompetent. Can't hit a single one of their actual targets, accidentally kills hundreds of innocents. Hard to imagine it isn't an accident caused by increased provocations. Their military is a bunch of incompetent fuck ups. People been talking them up too long, they're actually bottom tier apparently.
My current takeaway is Iran is actually completely incompetent. Can't hit a single one of their actual targets, accidentally kills hundreds of innocents. Hard to imagine it isn't an accident caused by increased provocations. Their military is a bunch of incompetent fuck ups. People been talking them up too long, they're actually bottom tier apparently.
Yes, the SA-15 primarily counters smaller targets like cruise missiles, drones and the like. Fighter planes are actually very lightly armored if at all so it doesn't take much fragmentation to bring them down. A civilian airliner has a lot of redundant systems and protection measures like self sealing fuel tanks that would make it unlikely to be destroyed in place but very likely to lose control/be consumed by an onboard fire. It wouldn't cause instantaneous in-flight separation like a lot of people are arguing. The effect is essentially like a really large hand grenade going off next to the fuselage. Depending on the angle of attack, it may have killed the pilots outright like MH17.
Iran should pay reparations and apologize to the family of the victims and ukrain, but i'm certain it will be used to justify violence against iran and war discourse.
If reports are correct that the plane flew for several minutes as it tried to turn back to land are true, the pilots were well enough to try to land that bird. Just ran out of time with the fires.Yes, the SA-15 primarily counters smaller targets like cruise missiles, drones and the like. Fighter planes are actually very lightly armored if at all so it doesn't take much fragmentation to bring them down. A civilian airliner has a lot of redundant systems and protection measures like self sealing fuel tanks that would make it unlikely to be destroyed in place but very likely to lose control/be consumed by an onboard fire. It wouldn't cause instantaneous in-flight separation like a lot of people are arguing. The effect is essentially like a really large hand grenade going off next to the fuselage. Depending on the angle of attack, it may have killed the pilots outright like MH17.
They were deliberately aiming for minimal casualties w/ the Iraq stuff, it was designed to allow them to de-escalate while saving face.My current takeaway is Iran is actually completely incompetent. Can't hit a single one of their actual targets, accidentally kills hundreds of innocents. Hard to imagine it isn't an accident caused by increased provocations. Their military is a bunch of incompetent fuck ups. People been talking them up too long, they're actually bottom tier apparently.
It a simple matter of their ambitions/actions greatly outstripping and damaging their economy. Combine that with sweeping sanctions... I mean, people don't protest in the streets (as they were in November) in a place like Iran unless things are really bad.My current takeaway is Iran is actually completely incompetent. Can't hit a single one of their actual targets, accidentally kills hundreds of innocents. Hard to imagine it isn't an accident caused by increased provocations. Their military is a bunch of incompetent fuck ups. People been talking them up too long, they're actually bottom tier apparently.
They were deliberately aiming for minimal casualties w/ the Iraq stuff, it was designed to allow them to de-escalate while saving face.
Yes. They're two very different things. One involves planning and foresight, the other is a split-second response.You believe they are skilled enough to do this while on the same day accidentally shooting a commercial plane out of the sky? I don't know.
Those are two completely different situations. One has nothing to do with the other.You believe they are skilled enough to do this while on the same day accidentally shooting a commercial plane out of the sky? I don't know.
You believe they are skilled enough to do this while on the same day accidentally shooting a commercial plane out of the sky? I don't know.
An american vessel has shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988. Do you think the US Navy is unskilled?You believe they are skilled enough to do this while on the same day accidentally shooting a commercial plane out of the sky? I don't know.
An american vessel has shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988. Do you think the US Navy is unskilled?
I mean, they've never shot down an airplane taking off from their own airport that's for sure.An american vessel has shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988. Do you think the US Navy is unskilled?
I mean, they've never shot down an airplane taking off from their own airport that's for sure.
No. No idea what that has to do with anything. The point is that even military superpowers like the US or the Soviets have done this very mistake before.Did they on the same day fire at a base and deliberately miss?
With all respect, if any american(s) was/were in that plane, are expecting to hear from Trump?
In total, 82 Iranians and 63 Canadians were on board the Kyiv-bound Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) Flight PS752.
There were also 11 victims - including nine crew members - from Ukraine, four Afghans, four Britons and three Germans.
if they misidentified the plane as an incoming missile or enemy aircraft they were trying to save lives by shooting it down. folks have a problem grappling with the concept of "accident". it's a tragedy.I just don't understand firing that many projectiles and hitting a plane being anything other than pure evil.
you fired missiles. They kill things.
So where was this video these past few days? Did it conveniently showed up when US said they have evidence of the plane being shot down?