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U.S. Military Issues Warning to Troops About Incel Violence at Joker Screenings (see staff post for discussion guidelines)
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One thing that is always true of Nazis is that they are consistent in their inpretations of works' theme and content and believe that context is key to understanding the world
oh wait, excuse me, I meant literally the exact opposite
oh wait, excuse me, I meant literally the exact opposite
Gonna bounce off this post to say another thing that's been bothering me a lot about the Joker discourse.
The movie and the character have nothing to do with inceldom. Zero. Nada. Anyone who talks about inceldom in relation to this movie are like that reporter who said "the hacker known as 4chan". You are badly misinformed and are just regurgitating buzzwords you heard other people say.
Inceldom is a very specific ideology that revolves entirely around a hatred of woman. It's not about mental health, or being kicked around by teenagers, or losing your job, or any of the other things that may happen to this movie's Joker based on the trailer. There is no manifesto about the "sexual marketplace" or how Joker hates Batman because he's a "chad", or anything like that. It's just nihilism. It's no more an "incel" film than John Wick. This conversation is being spun out of nothing.
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your take is why Americans have become chicken shit afraid ofanything that moves.You have become so afraid you are on your knees Afraid while the incels walk around freely considering themselves legitimate and normal
your take and similar ones makes Jack Thompson's opinion normal . What's next? John wick movies banned ? First person shooter games banned ? What is next really
trust me when I say this. America has become a laughing stock of the world because of takes like this. Ask almsot any European , Asian, African, etc
If a movie was made about Hitler in the same vain it would be cancelled... Think about it
A movie like this is so dangerous on so many fundamental levels it's soul shaking
What happens if it triggers copycats and it's nearly one shooting a week every week since the movie premiered
What a fantastic shit storm.....
A movie like this is so dangerous on so many fundamental levels it's soul shaking
What happens if it triggers copycats and it's nearly one shooting a week every week since the movie premiered
What a fantastic shit storm.....
A man who believes that he is misunderstood and left behind by society snaps and starts a revolution that involves killing the people who he believes has wronged him. Including celebrities.
Yeah you are right. No incel could possibly identify with this movie....
Not surprising, given the concerns already raised in reviews. This movie sounds like it will be in poor taste, whatever its merits.
Ok then. America has a major gun violence problem that cannot be solved by blaming movies and video games for it. Guns are fetishized and given to kids as presents in America.
The joker has nothing to do with it... just another scapegoat.
Who is "blaming" (your words) this movie?
Everything about this thread is about correlation not causation.
Guns. I'm not worried about this if I'm in a country with reasonable gun laws.
The operative word in that sentence is "related". There have been a ton of SM posts about how this is an "incel" movie, mostly by people who haven't seen it. If you go to any incel forum or 4chan type discussion area, almost no one gives a shit about the Joker, they just think the bed wetting about it is funny.
Because folks have surrendered themselves to incels and their beliefs instead of making sure incels behavior doesn't change society with fear
Nah they're telling them to come ready to get in a shoot out when they do go, which is good for everybody.
Nobody is saying the Joker is the ultimate cause of gun violence though. This is all a system of gun violence and white terrorism. Nobody is putting the blame on movies for the culture, just that this movie in this culture of course makes people concerned.
That description applies to a great deal of movies! Like a lot. John Wick is a film about a guy who goes on a bloody murder spree because someone killed his dog. No one should be asking to ban it. The movie is fetishistic in how it depicts guns too.
Pretty much. I mean if the FBI is considering this worthy of caution...
The opposite- remaining vigilant is somehow a bad thing? Sure beats sitting on our hands.
It never was, and only delusional people thought it would be. Glad to see precautions are getting in place, hope it's effective enough
so becoming afraid of them like folks becoming afraid of going out because "terrorists" are out there
As someone who served for 12 years, it's pretty shitty that you would reduce service members to "killing machines" more or less. They're regular people with specialized training who are placed in undesirable situations of war. It isn't uncommon for areas to be black listed for the safety of people on the service. We don't walk around ready to kill.
Maybe think a little more next time you post for the lulz.
Of course people are afraid of terrorism and guns dude, look at how many people are dying, look at how many people are trying to get rid of guns. It doesn't mean they "win" or anything.
And why the quotes around "terrorists"?
At what point does that give someone a reason to shoot someone and ask questions later at a screening next weekend? You're potentially not helping the situation, but making it worse. Because the fearmongering has reached a boiling point with this film where it's just assumed a shooting is going to happen and people need to remain vigilant. You know "remaining vigilant" to the segment of the population that open/concealed carries takes on a whole new meaning, right?
Read my latter post about this matter before jumping to conclusions 😉
He is a former Hitman and goes on a killing spree that involves the mob. Thats not the same as portraying a regular guy who snaps and starts murdering innocent people. If you wanna like the movie that's fine. But don't pretend as if the fears surrounding this movie are unwarranted given the current climate in the US. Especially when it comes to gun violence that involves men who are socially ostracized and blame society for all their problems.
By pretending that isnt an issue in the US at the moment you come off as tone deaf at best and intentionally ignorant at worst.
Because America is still more safe than many places and a brown Muslim like me in streets doesn't mean there are terrorists everywhere
and yes folks are afraid becausr they have surrendered to the folks in society who are nuts
Comic book villain characters should be protected!1!1!!
The John Wick comparison is so dumb. It's like comparing the sadistic joker character to tom cruise in MI or Willis in die hard. These are characters that are clearly hero stereotypes, that work for good/their sense of justice. Joker is an edgy character that's been adopted by dumb incel fuckers to look deep in their hate. But apparently they are all the same because they all use guns. Like, context isn't important at all.
That's really all this is about. I don't blame Warner or DC for this, Incels are drawn to this of their own free will, and being aware/prepared is what I want so I can see the film in peace.
And this man becomes "The Joker" a symbol among inceldom seen as an anarchist fighting against a female controlled society. In their memes Joker constantly bemoans society and blames it for his "crazyness" because women having rights is "crazier"
Such a depiction of Joker has never existed, until now. When a feature film dies away with traditional Joker characterization and instead glorifies the lonely man turning clown taking revenge on society blaming it for all his problems
Yup, nothing to see here
I guess it's a matter of perspective then. You could be right, but I know for me I'd like to know theaters and moviegoers are going to be more on watch, so if something does go down they have a better chance of getting out of there. Or maybe parents of troubled kids know to maybe not go see this one.
What about movies like John Wick? That movie screams good guy with gun myth/hero bs you hear from gun nuts.
Is incel just used as a word now to describe any right wing (usually) white lone wolf shooter/terrorist, regardless of whether they've fucked or not or whether it really fits in general?
It used to have a pretty specific meaning, now It's just lazily thrown around. There are serious issues with right wing terrorism in many western countries right now but this particular moral panic to do with the film has been unbelievably contrived from the get go
It used to have a pretty specific meaning, now It's just lazily thrown around. There are serious issues with right wing terrorism in many western countries right now but this particular moral panic to do with the film has been unbelievably contrived from the get go
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It'd be more surprising if a film like this wasn't made in this environment. Turbulent times have always informed some of the most controversial yet enduring works out there. Hell, the 70s alone produced the likes of A Clockwork Orange, Death Wish, Taxi Driver, The Warriors and countless other films that examined the very real rot in society; with varying degrees of success and certainly with a lot of problematic elements that earn criticism, no questions there, but they certainly were not shy about putting a lens on all that turmoil that was unfurling and were often unflinching and uncompromising.
Sure, the big difference here is this is tied to a world-famous IP and a healthy if not exactly high budget and level of promotion, but this film is very much of a kind that's existed for over a century. Whether it's successful in tackling the subject matter with a deft hand and personal responsibility does remain to be seen by the public at large, but again, that's not particularly new territory. It's certainly divided critics, even if reception has been largely positive, so it will be interesting to see how it does go down based on its artistic merits.
The thing is I never saw John wick movies but he wasn't a sexless loner loser virgin with a grudge against society and a bone to pick with Chad's and Stacie's
So what's your solution then? No more beating around the bush here: Do you think the film should be banned?
America has some of the highest amounts of gun deaths and mass shootings in the Western world if not the highest, your argument is "other places are worse"? So? I'm sure there are more dangerous places, that doesn't mean we throw up our hands and just accept it.
How have people surrendered, exactly? There are people out fighting every day to get rid of guns, people who donate and vote and stuff. How is that giving up?
Movies burning at the National Safe from Fear Society event next month:
falling down
Clockwork orange
Fight club
John wick trilogy
The matrix trilogy
falling down
Clockwork orange
Fight club
John wick trilogy
The matrix trilogy
Exactly. If people wanna like the movie despite these concerns that's fine, but the people who try and pretend that this is a non-issue are just being intentionally ignorant in my opinion.
