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As U.S. President Donald Trump fights his way through the final days of the presidential campaign denying the pandemic — by lashing out at doctors, disputing science and slashing the press for highlighting rising coronavirus case counts — the long-running rift between the White House and Dr. Anthony Fauci burst into the open Saturday night.

For months as Trump undercut his own medical experts, sidelined scientists and refused to take basic steps to control the virus while mocking former vice president Joe Biden for wearing a mask, the nation's top infectious disease specialist held his tongue and took the president's attacks in stride as he continued to plead with the American people to socially distance and wear masks.

But Fauci's restraint appeared to have evaporated in a Washington Post interview that was published Saturday night, in which he called out the White House for allowing its strategy for fighting the virus to be shaped in part by a neuroradiologist with no training in the field of infectious disease and said he appreciated chief of staff Mark Meadows' honesty when he admitted to CNN's Jake Tapper during a recent interview that the administration has given up controlling the spread of the virus.

At a time when Trump is downplaying the rising cases in the vast majority of states, dangerously holding huge rallies with few masks and no social distancing, and lodging the false and outlandish claim that doctors are exaggerating the number of COVID-19 deaths for profit, Fauci told the Post that the nation is "in for a whole lot of hurt."

"All the stars are aligned in the wrong place" as the country heads indoors in colder weather, Fauci told the newspaper in an interview late Friday -- a day when the U.S. set a global record for the most daily cases and the nation surpassed 229,000 deaths. "You could not possibly be positioned more poorly."

Fauci, who is widely trusted by the public after a lengthy career serving under six presidents from both parties, said Meadows was being candid in the interview last weekend where he told Tapper it was not possible to control the virus. Fauci has adopted the polar opposite strategy by repeatedly telling Americans that they can change the trajectory of the virus and save lives if they adhere to mask use, social distancing protocols and other safety precautions.

"I tip my hat to him for admitting the strategy," Fauci told the Post of Meadows' admission to Tapper. "He is straightforward in telling you what's on his mind. I commend him for that."

Fauci did not mince words describing what he views as the untoward influence of Dr. Scott Atlas, a controversial figure who has become the president's de facto COVID-19 adviser. Atlas, a White House coronavirus task force member who took on more prominence as Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx receded from public view at the White House, has misrepresented the effectiveness of masks and discouraged testing of asymptomatic people, even though most medical experts believe it is a critical element of stopping the spread of the virus.

"I have real problems with that guy," the Washington Post quoted Fauci as saying about Atlas. "He's a smart guy who's talking about things that I believe he doesn't have any real insight or knowledge or experience in. He keeps talking about things that when you dissect it out and parse it out, it doesn't make any sense."

Fauci and Birx, the coronavirus response coordinator for the White House task force, were fixtures at the White House in the early days of the pandemic, often appearing alongside Trump at White House briefings to detail the administration's efforts to fight the virus. But Trump grew increasingly frustrated with Fauci's media appearances and what he viewed as the doctor's negative tone about the trajectory of the virus. (Fauci told the Washington Post he was choosing his words carefully so as not to be prohibited from doing future interviews.)

During a call with campaign staff in October, Trump referred to Fauci and other health officials as "idiots" and said Americans were tired of hearing about the pandemic, according to CNN's Kaitlan Collins and Kevin Liptak. Birx, who has also expressed concerns about Atlas to her confidantes, has taken her expertise and influence out on the road, meeting with state and local officials to try to help shape their strategies for fighting the virus.

Atlas responded to Fauci Saturday night in a tweet comprised of a series of hashtags that accused him of engaging in politics and mocked Fauci for the ceremonial first pitch that he threw at the opening game of the Washington Nationals.

"#Insecurity #EmbarrassingHimself #Exposed #CantThrowABall #NoTimeForPolitics," Atlas tweeted.

In a statement, White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere sharply criticized Fauci, claiming he was inappropriately playing politics a few days before Election Day.

This is going to be fucking tragically brutal.

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White House unleashes on Fauci after criticism of Trump's pandemic response

The White House on Saturday unleashed on Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country's leading infectious disease expert, following his comments to the Washington Post that criticized the Trump administration's response to the pandemic, including Dr. Scott Atlas, who the president has relied on for advice on...
 
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The US crossed 100, 000 cases per day on Friday, a world record. And unfortunately that one 9/11 type death count per day(I had a thread on this) prediction for early January, is looking terrifyingly on point right now.

Fuck, it never had to be this way.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Oct 25, 2017
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Going to take New Deal era legislation to get us back from this. Obviously that can't undue the current damage and deaths happening now, though.
 

Biggzy

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Oct 27, 2017
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But the White House said that the pandemic has come to an end? I say this is fake news.
 

Tbm24

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good for him. This entire tragedy is fucking bullshit and the entire country should be ashamed.
 

Airegin

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Dec 10, 2017
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The US crossed 100, 000 cases per day on Friday, a world record. And unfortunately that one 9/11 type death count per day(I had a thread on this) prediction for early January, is looking terrifyingly on point right now.

Fuck, it never had to be this way.

It's far from being a world record compared to the population. Belgium's daily average would be 450k in the US and they're not even testing people without symptoms.
 

WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
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How has Fauci and Brix not walked out yet?

Fauci is trying to save lives.

Birx was angling to take Alex Azars job but he never got fired. She's spent the last month of so trying to rehabilitate her image with the general public so she can keep her appointment in the next administration and try again.
 

Gyro Zeppeli

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Oct 27, 2017
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Going to take New Deal era legislation to get us back from this. Obviously that can't undue the current damage and deaths happening now, though.

There isn't going to be a New Deal. lmao

I'm not saying Biden won't be an improvement over Trump, but let's put things into perspective. Biden and the Democrats in Congress (with perhaps their supermajority) are going to dial it back to work with/compromise with Republicans as they always do. No I don't believe Biden is going to be a disruptive president in terms of policy.
 

lupinko

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Oct 26, 2017
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and adding to that, Trump cant fire him, because of how well he's seen by the general public. would be political suicide.

Trump can't fire Fauci because Fauci wasn't a political appointee. He just ascended to his position naturally as a federal employee. But Trump wrote an executive order that would allow him to fire Fauci in the new year. Of course said order is probably bogus and illegal.
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's terrifying that Trump basically has 2 months to make it even worse if he loses. Biden and co better to ready to go the second they have control, clear house, bring the good people back, get the message and measures out fast as possible.
 

EJS

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Oct 31, 2017
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I live in a blue state and I see so many people walk into businesses not wearing masks where they are required. It's kind of insane. The leash is pretty loose, too, and people won't even wear a mask where it's required.
 

Watchtower

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Oct 27, 2017
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If people are freaking out now just wait until December. COVID has spiked at every major holiday and at the opening of schools for the fall, all when major peaks of social interaction are to be expected. The back-to-back of Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's is going to be disasterous.

If they walk out, they'll get replaced by a bootlicker who'll go on tv and say the worst things.

He already has his bootlicker in Atlas.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I live in a blue state and I see so many people walk into businesses not wearing masks where they are required. It's kind of insane. The leash is pretty loose, too, and people won't even wear a mask where it's required.

Yeah it sucks. And a lot more people went out for Halloween parties and stuff after generally being pretty good about isolating. The spike in cases over the next 2-3 weeks, especially if there are post-election protests, is gonna be awful.
 

platocplx

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm so sorry for everyone in the states. It's not great here either, but at least the Scottish government is trying their damnedest to keep things on the rails.
This is why I've been just staying away from everyone it infuriates me seeing people traveling etc it's crazy. I bet another spike after Halloween too
 

SpottieO

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Oct 25, 2017
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I live in a blue state and I see so many people walk into businesses not wearing masks where they are required. It's kind of insane. The leash is pretty loose, too, and people won't even wear a mask where it's required.

Yes, I have very liberal and progressive friends some of which are high risk that were having a Halloween party last night. My wife and I were a hard pass on that.
 

EJS

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Oct 31, 2017
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Yeah it sucks. And a lot more people went out for Halloween parties and stuff after generally being pretty good about isolating. The spike in cases over the next 2-3 weeks, especially if there are post-election protests, is gonna be awful.
I find it selfish as hell. You're basically allowed to have small gatherings, not wear a mask outside, and have indoor dining in a lot of states but the times it's required, people just ignore.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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Will Biden lock it down when he hits the Whitehouse? Can he?

Lockdown is no longer an option. If Trump wins, there will be no lockdown because he doesn't want to. If Biden wins, they can't lockdown because it will backfire politically and no one would listen, and would embolden Trump supporters to do violence.

The only correct move was for Trump to initiate and support the lockdown and the wearing of masks; and he did the exact opposite. That would make the conservatives do it, and the members of the left that follow scientists and experts would do it too.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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There isn't going to be a New Deal. lmao

I'm not saying Biden won't be an improvement over Trump, but let's put things into perspective. Biden and the Democrats in Congress (with perhaps their supermajority) are going to dial it back to work with/compromise with Republicans as they always do. No I don't believe Biden is going to be a disruptive president in terms of policy.
We'll see. But I don't think it'll be as incremental as you think. When you have moderate dems discussing removing the filibuster and increasing the court size, I think it's an indication that the game has changed a little.
 

blackhawk163

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Oct 28, 2017
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Birx needs to be fired and if she can't be, she needs to go elsewhere. Fauci has been doing what he can from the sidelines for so long and has shown he cares more for the well being of this country, and in fact, the world, more than the hacks that worry about their careers in government.

I'm not a religious man, but if I were, I'd be praying to a god or gods that when I wake up Wednesday morning Biden would ha e won by such huge margins that he would be declared victorious.
 

KtotheRoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would have liked it if Fauci had spoken up sooner. It's outrageous that it has gotten to this point, and it is only going to get worse from here.
 

kirby_fox

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Oct 29, 2017
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I don't know if I can teach everyone in my family how to use Zoom or more likely one of the alternatives for it. Might just have to figure out a livestream on social media instead so they can comment on it.

Something I guess I'll look into at work today.
 

MisterSnrub

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Mar 10, 2018
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If people are freaking out now just wait until December. COVID has spiked at every major holiday and at the opening of schools for the fall, all when major peaks of social interaction are to be expected. The back-to-back of Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's is going to be disasterous.
Regardless of who wins, the hatred for Trump is going to be profound come winter time. So many fucking people have died because of him. I can't believe how bad things got, everybody.
Yeah, well, Dr. Atlas shrugged.
100,000 is literally everyone who lives in my town, multipied by five. It just breaks my heart. I think a lot of people are coping with this by not internalising the reality of what that means. Death. Real actual people dying for his vanity by the thousands.
This is why I've been just staying away from everyone it infuriates me seeing people traveling etc it's crazy. I bet another spike after Halloween too
I had my first real hating-the-kids moment last night. Just mobbed standing outside shop entrances, dozens of them.
 

Jombie

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fauci is a national hero. He's the lone decent human being among a den of ghouls, and I can't imagine the stress he's under on a day-to-day basis.
 

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I'm guessing there's no law or anything that Biden can use to take control of the White House once he wins the election so that he can take the drastic measures necessary to save as many lives as possible this winter at a time when Trump will totally shirk his duties as president the minute he realises he lost?

🤔
 

bionic77

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Oct 25, 2017
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Its insane how badly the government has failed. A close second is the American people.

You are really on your own with this virus. Thats exactly what we say about failed governments from developing countries. Now you can say the thing about America, except America is the richest country in the world...