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The U.S. government has concluded that Iran is behind a series of threatening emails arriving this week in the inboxes of Democratic voters, according to two U.S. officials.

Department of Homeland Security officials told state and local election administrators on a call Wednesday that a foreign government was responsible for the online barrage, according to the U.S. officials and state and local authorities who participated in the call, all speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity. A DHS officials also said they had detected holes in state and local election websites and instructed those participating to patch their online services.

The emails claimed to be from the Proud Boys, a far-right group supportive of President Trump, but appeared instead to be a deceptive campaign making use of a vulnerability in the organization's online network.
First identified on Tuesday by local law enforcement and elections officials in Florida and Alaska, the emails were soon turned over to federal authorities, according to U.S. officials.

The messages appeared to target Democrats using data from digital databases known as "voter files," some of which are commercially available. They told recipients the Proud Boys were "in possession of all your information" and instructed voters to change their party registration and cast their ballots for Trump.

By suggesting the group had gained access to privileged data, and also possibly penetrated electronic systems to detect how people were voting, the emails seemed designed to create the appearance of an election breach, said cybersecurity researchers. Such a move may serve to undermine confidence in the integrity of the democratic process without posing a genuine risk to the election, these researchers said.

"You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you," warned the emails, which by Tuesday night were said to have reached voters in as many as four states, three of them hotly contested swing states in the coming presidential election.

The domain enlisted for the misleading operation, officialproudboys.com, was recently dropped by a hosting company that uses Google Cloud services, according to Google Cloud spokesman Ted Ladd. Without a secure host, the domain stood vulnerable to exploitation, cybersecurity experts said. Voters using Comcast, Yahoo and Gmail accounts were affected.

 
Oct 31, 2017
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Is this a work or a shoot? This all just reeks of bullshit manipulation/gaslighting to cause chaos. If the action taken was done to "hurt the President", does that mean this FBI press conference was meant to aid him?
 

Volimar

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That entire press conference could easily have been a press release. But they had to make as big a deal out of it as they can.
 

Sqrt

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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but why in the world would Iran want Trump to win? He pulled out of the nuclear deal, reinstated sanctions and assassinated one of their most important figures just this year.

Whatever damages our adversary is good for us might be the reasoning for a faction of Iran MOIS. Might not be the position of the government at large.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but why in the world would Iran want Trump to win? He pulled out of the nuclear deal, reinstated sanctions and assassinated one of their most important figures just this year.

All true, but probably also hope that it continues to de-legitimize US power and destabilize alliances, all to their benefit...i.e., let's hope he implodes his country and sinks it into irrelevancy before he fucks with us.
 

DarthWoo

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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but why in the world would Iran want Trump to win? He pulled out of the nuclear deal, reinstated sanctions and assassinated one of their most important figures just this year.
Assuming any of this story is true, they know that Trump will only serve to make America weaker. Despite what he's done to them, they're overall still better off as America moves further and further away from leading the world stage and has to deal with its own internal strife.
 

GYODX

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Well, I agree with the others, but I kind of don't think Iran actually does considering how he's probably the only President we've had in many years who would probably actually start a war with them.
Well, that's where you're wrong. All Presidents would be willing to go to war with Iran. They've probably reasoned that either (a) Trump is too chicken-shit to actually go to war, or (b) Trump's the only one who's too weak as a leader to actually garner enough domestic and international support for a serious war effort. As Vietnam showed, you can't win a war that is politically unpopular.
 

Sqrt

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Assuming any of this story is true, they know that Trump will only serve to make America weaker. Despite what he's done to them, they're overall still better off as America moves further and further away from leading the world stage and has to deal with its own internal strife.
Also, Trump's stance is that of Isolationism. Trump removing troops from Syria has been on Iran's benefit. And is not Biden would keep in check Israel either.
 

Lord Fanny

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Well, that's where you're wrong. All Presidents would be willing to go to war with Iran. They've probably reasoned that either (a) Trump is too chicken-shit to actually go to war, or (b) Trump's the only one who's too weak as a leader to actually garner enough domestic and international support for a serious war effort. As Vietnam showed, you can't win a war that is politically unpopular.

That absolutely is not true lol.
 

shinobi602

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Whatever damages our adversary is good for us might be the reasoning for a faction of Iran MOIS. Might not be the position of the government at large.
All true, but probably also hope that it continues to de-legitimize US power and destabilize alliances, all to their benefit...i.e., let's hope he implodes his country and sinks it into irrelevancy before he fucks with us.
Assuming any of this story is true, they know that Trump will only serve to make America weaker. Despite what he's done to them, they're overall still better off as America moves further and further away from leading the world stage and has to deal with its own internal strife.
Their economy and overall global freedom of movement really, was far better under Obama than it is today. There's no doubt Biden would try to renegotiate the nuclear deal. Trump's also cozied up and conceded to Israel way more than any previous admin. I still just can't see any scenario where they want this to continue.
 

Netherscourge

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't see any reason why Iran would want more of Trump...

Trump being president helps Iran promote anti-Israel sentiment in the middle-east, because of his completely 1-sided support for Israel and expansion. They also know Trump is dividing America. Trump is also a recruitment tool for Iranian military and terrorists worldwide.
 

Heshinsi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Iran knows that Trump is bad for America and is a destabilizing influence for the west in general.

This could be some 4d Chess shit; possible, but maybe not plausible.

The same Trump that had their top general assassinated with a drone strike at a civilian airport after being invited to meeting by the Iraqi Prime Minister. They want to play 4D chess with that unhinged nutjob?

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Trump being president helps Iran promote anti-Israel sentiment in the middle-east, because of his completely 1-sided support for Israel and expansion. They also know Trump is dividing America. Trump is also a recruitment tool for Iranian military and terrorists worldwide.

Anti-Israel sentiment in the Middle East? You do realise there's far more anti-Shiite sentiment in the Middle East than anti-Israel right? Look at all the Sunni states making official peace treaties and talks with Israel the last little bit. Don't be confused by whatever nonsense the Ayatollah's spout. The true conflict in the Middle East is between Shiite Iran and its allies (namely Hizbollah, Iraq, and Assad's regime), versus the Sunni states led by the Saudis.
 

Christian

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whatever the truth is here, I sure wish the government would've taken action to protect our elections from foreign interference. If only they were capable of such a thing!
 
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The same Trump that had their top general assassinated with a drone strike at a civilian airport after being invited to meeting by the Iraqi Prime Minister. They want to play 4D chess with that unhinged nutjob?

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Yeah again, there is no benefit to Trump being President for Iran. I don't even know why people are trying to come up with these weird convoluted reasons for it.
 

Sqrt

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Their economy and overall global freedom of movement really, was far better under Obama than it is today. There's no doubt Biden would try to renegotiate the nuclear deal. Trump's also cozied up and conceded to Israel way more than any previous admin. I still just can't see any scenario where they want this to continue.
You are assuming that all actors are rational. I'm sure Iran also has its fair share of zealots and warmongers in their government.
 

fontguy

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I'm just so hesitant to believe anything any federal agency says that might even remotely exonerate Trump and/or the right wing of anything. This could be a story refuting the widespread rumors that Trump wore white after Labor Day and I'd still think it's bullshit.
 

iksenpets

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Wait, Iran interfering — sure, that makes sense — but interfering on behalf of Trump?? That's either BS or someone in the Iranian intelligence service ground an entire 11-dimensional chess set to powder and snorted the whole thing before launching this caper.
 

VariantX

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Full of shit.

That message aint targeting anyone voting for trump. Anyone already voting for trump would just shrug their shoulders. Iran doesn't want Trump to win, that idiot nearly started a war with them by killing a high ranking individual within their govt on a whim and piled sanctions on top of sanctions slowly choking their economy to death. If trump dissappeared with all of his policy decisions in an instant their situation would begin to improve.
 

Sorel

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What you do with American intelligence information ? You trust them, of course...
 

sonicmj1

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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but why in the world would Iran want Trump to win? He pulled out of the nuclear deal, reinstated sanctions and assassinated one of their most important figures just this year.
Besides the reasons mentioned by others (assuming this was done to benefit Trump's chances), it's important to keep in mind that any nation is not a single unified block, but a collection of various power-holders jockeying for their interests. For a long time, different factions in Iran's politics have competed over what stance to take towards the West. The deal with the Obama administration was a victory for moderates who sought rapprochement and reintegration into the world economy: the destruction of that deal by the Trump administration was a boon domestically for hardliners who see the West as an adversary to be fought.

The intelligence groups that would carry out an operation like this are more likely to be in that adversarial hardline faction than to be moderates. They might prefer a Trump administration that flaunts the rules and pressures them towards war and nuclear proliferation to a Biden administration working together with Europe toward some peace deal, because they'll have more domestic sway in the former situation.

Then again it's not impossible that this was done to help Democrats (by painting their strongest detractors as deranged radicals) or to just generally sow distrust in the outcome of the election regardless of who wins.
 

Sqrt

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Besides the reasons mentioned by others (assuming this was done to benefit Trump's chances), it's important to keep in mind that any nation is not a single unified block, but a collection of various power-holders jockeying for their interests. For a long time, different factions in Iran's politics have competed over what stance to take towards the West. The deal with the Obama administration was a victory for moderates who sought rapprochement and reintegration into the world economy: the destruction of that deal by the Trump administration was a boon domestically for hardliners who see the West as an adversary to be fought.

The intelligence groups that would carry out an operation like this are more likely to be in that adversarial hardline faction than to be moderates. They might prefer a Trump administration that flaunts the rules and pressures them towards war and nuclear proliferation to a Biden administration working together with Europe toward some peace deal, because they'll have more domestic sway in the former situation.

Then again it's not impossible that this was done to help Democrats (by painting their strongest detractors as deranged radicals) or to just generally sow distrust in the outcome of the election regardless of who wins.
Thanks for explaining better than what I could.

Also, is not impossible that this is a deflection from Trump's administration...