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Volimar

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,328
The problem is not only are so many farmers voting against their interests, but a lot of them just aren't political at all. Like this stuff affects you man. Get involved.
 

Link

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,623
I don't get this attitude. It's true farmers are mostly on the right, but at least in my portion of Iowa it's probably more 60/40 or 50/50. So, it hurts people on your side (or whatever you're implying), too. Plus, it's easy to sneer at any one voting for Trump, but it's not like he told farmers he was going to totally fuck them via a reckless trade war before he was elected.
If only it was completely obvious what was going to happen. Oh wait, it was, so long as you weren't a racist piece of crap.
 

UraMallas

Member
Nov 1, 2017
18,847
United States
If only it was completely obvious what was going to happen. Oh wait, it was, so long as you weren't a racist piece of crap.
You missed the rest of the post, though.

Please yall. Don't forget there are millions and millions of people out here in 'flyover' country who are hurting and voted AGAINST this bigoted asshole. Don't forget that there are millions of people in the deep red South and the Midwest that try to vote against these things but are still under the thumb of state governments who rip Obamacare away, close abortion clinics, have to claim bankruptcy on their family farms, and pass laws against LGBTQ, and don't have ANY recourse because they don't live in a state that has progressive protections.

I just hate to see that attitude "fuck everybody in these states". It's ignorant to think there aren't dem-voting farmers and big numbers!
 

DavidDesu

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland
What percentage of farmers voted Trump. Guess like in the UK the average farm owner votes Conservative. Them brexit happens and their huge income from EU subsidies go bye bye. Fucking idiots.
 

Culex

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,844
Even after going bankrupt, laying off your staff, and the ultimate irony of a Chinese investor buying the scraps of your farm...they will STILL vote for Trump.
 

Tugatrix

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
3,260
They will think this isn't Trump fault is just those damn liberals, cognitive dissonance is a pretty complicated thing
 

skeezx

Member
Oct 27, 2017
20,128
white blue collar obama 'defectors' gave trump the presidency but how many of those were 'farmers'. trump could in person could serve them a foreclosure notice and they'd still vote trump
 

smurfx

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,578
If I remember correctly a lot of those farm bailout subsidies are many times going to factory farms owned by large corporations, not your mom and pop family run farms. Go figure.
this is probably by design. those corporation can survive this and gobble up all the small farms and get even bigger in the process.
 

Sheepinator

Member
Jul 25, 2018
27,946
They're going to end up getting $40-$45BN in socialism bailouts, which hypocrites will accept, including Grassley who pushed for the bailouts then applied to pocket from them. Meanwhile the final cost of the autos bailout was only about $11BN.
 

Marshall

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,979
You missed the rest of the post, though.

Please yall. Don't forget there are millions and millions of people out here in 'flyover' country who are hurting and voted AGAINST this bigoted asshole. Don't forget that there are millions of people in the deep red South and the Midwest that try to vote against these things but are still under the thumb of state governments who rip Obamacare away, close abortion clinics, have to claim bankruptcy on their family farms, and pass laws against LGBTQ, and don't have ANY recourse because they don't live in a state that has progressive protections.

I just hate to see that attitude "fuck everybody in these states". It's ignorant to think there aren't dem-voting farmers and big numbers!
I'm with you 100% on this and hope things work out for you and the other good ones in Iowa. Iowa is not some red bastion of hate filled Trumpers, it's barely Republican, and maybe it can swing blue this time around.

I hope people here can stop painting with such a broad brush.
 

Shadybiz

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,108
Yeah, well, that's what happens.

I'm sure there are plenty who saw through his bullshit enough to not vote for him, and for those people, I have sympathy. I can't sympathize for the people who couldn't see through their hatred enough to see reason.
 

Deleted member 58401

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Jul 7, 2019
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If only it was completely obvious what was going to happen. Oh wait, it was, so long as you weren't a racist piece of crap.
I don't know. I guess I don't get the chance to overlook those people for making a mistake* if I want to have any hope of seeing that guy not win my state this time.

*It was a massive mistake at best and blatantly racist at worst, depending on the voter.
 

Version 3.0

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,155
I eagerly await the New York Times article interviewing (former) farmers who will still vote for Trump.

The thing is, I do feel bad for them. I know they belong to the party of "personal responsibility", but I don't. I recognize that they have been molded by right-wing propaganda, simmered in it for decades. As their own communities and states became more and more red, they had less and less chance to reverse course. How many of them are poorly educated, because their states want them to be? How often have they been told their situation is the Democrats' fault, without rebuttal? This is on them, but it's not entirely on them. They are more buying into the bullshit, than they are the source of it. More the users than the dealers.

It's easy to just say "fuck 'em". Actually, it's hard not to just say "fuck 'em". Hell, if they vote GOP again (not just Trump), then what else can we do but say "fuck 'em"? The only thing we can do for them is save them along with ourselves, while they curse us for it.

But I still feel bad for them.