Goes back further than that. Where do you think the overuse of "cool" came from? Hell, it goes all the way back to the Black Minstrelsy shows, arguably the birth of American culture.
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Twitch's new policy stated "simp", "Incel", and "virgin" are now prohibited during in streaming.
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Banning simp turns out just means they're removing emotes that have simp in it.
"We will take action against the use of terms like "simp", "incel" or "virgin" specifically when they are being used to negatively refer to another person's sexual practices. Using these terms on their own wouldn't lead to an enforcement but we would taker action if they were used repeatedly in a harassing manner."
All this really says is they're going to ban people for harassment, which is something that they already do.
Twitch PR is the embodiment of this meme:
it's basically means being shy, kinda used when talking to a crush too.
Not opposed to Twitch banning Simp. I think it's a pretty sexist term and I'd rather they took a stance against it instead of just saying "well we can't fix sexism so why bother changing what we CAN control".
Virgin and Incel I'm sure are rampant across Twitch but I don't hang in any circles that use them. I don't really feel one way or another about those terms being banned.
Virgin and Incel I'm sure are rampant across Twitch but I don't hang in any circles that use them. I don't really feel one way or another about those terms being banned.
I might be wrong but I think that emote means you are shy/nervous about something. It's especially common in anime.
A blanket ban on the word "virgin" is... uh... a choice. Like. That's a word word. Just a plain word. It's meaning hasn't really changed for thousands of years. Even if it's commonly used as an insult, it doesn't inherently have any negative context.
I don't remember where I even picked it up from, but I remember saying it when I was really little. I have a memory of building a pillow fort with my cousin one summer and I told him " this is pretty cool" he looked at me confused saying it was warm what did I mean and I had to try and explain it haha
Seriously.
This is such a stupid rule. Twitch should outline what misbehavior on their platform involves and moderate based on that (which could include a ban on certain words, sure, and a list "potentially problematic" words like simp, virgin, and the words you mentioned).
This just feels like a big tech company trying to fully automate moderation in a really dumb way again.
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Turns out they're not actually banning anything.
Yeah, it comes from African American Jazz musicians and it's culture. The first "wanna be's" or "wiggers" were ironically a term that's evolved to mean something else, but were the original "Hipsters" -
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The fuck, this is like the school Principal stating what new slang is not allowed in a classroom. Did I miss a memo where Twitch is a childs platform (besides some people that act like kids)? Can you not have MATURE rated streams? Or KIDS favored streams?
Feels simpy trying to ban crap on a public expression avenue that isnt hate speech/slurs.
Oh. Ok... I'm...
This person says that Twitch relies on automod to catch the n word. But it can be opted out of etc. Someone let me know if this is wrong and I'll delete the post.
Seems like a money move if you ask me.
Biggest donors are going to be the lonely people who may feel ashamed of their donations. Being harassed by people calling them a simp or incel may reduce donations and cut into that revenue stream for Twitch.
Biggest donors are going to be the lonely people who may feel ashamed of their donations. Being harassed by people calling them a simp or incel may reduce donations and cut into that revenue stream for Twitch.
I understand banning "incel", because it's not even particularly funny - but the other two seem ridiculous.
Not gonna lie I'm into this anything that takes away words that have been adapted into internet lingo. Ban "bro" and "oof" next.
Chad doesn't get banned. Chad is the CEO and top streamer of twitch and the virgin is permabanned
many people pointed out on the blind playthrough topic that twitch was just doing performative shit instead of actually fixing the awful problem the site has and they were called out by people who brought Twitch's crap
Good to see Twitch proving that they don't care as long as they can do the bare minimum to try to appear like they're doing shit
Good to see Twitch proving that they don't care as long as they can do the bare minimum to try to appear like they're doing shit
IDK seems kinda pathetic not to call out people who act like incels
I doubt (atleast on Twitch) that most of the time the word is actually used on an incel. Probably most likely used by kids to be assholes to other kids with no real context.
if you look at the rules, it's INCREDIBLY CLEAR that this conversation today was meant as an informal example of what the rules spell out. Twitch has not created a blanket list of words to ban, and it seems to be making such flexibility in language clear with its full rules, which I invite y'all to read. these give Twitch the purview to very very verrrrry specifically apply such enforcement to people who think they're being cute and harass someone by calling them a "shrimp" under the same context.
one reason Ars has passed on covering the story.
one reason Ars has passed on covering the story.
I've never heard someone on Twitch use the word simp, but I'm assuming it's short for simpleton, i.e. stupid? Incel is a word I've repeatedly forgot the meaning of and had to look it up to remind myself. It's also just an ugly word and I don't like even looking at it. Virgin as an insult I can see and have heard some people I watch use it when playing multiplayer games and talking about their opponents. Didn't think it was widespread enough to become an issue though.
I suppose for some people is hard to read all the history, instead of just the inflammatory titles and posts
So many of my friends use the word simp to talk about and describe the online harassment they receive from thirsty guys on the internet, so while yes it's used as a childish way for shitty dudes to put other dudes down. It's also a way for women to express their frustrations with shitty male behavior and toxic masculinity on the internet. This to me just feels like another form of suppressing expression on their streaming platform.
This just feels like twitch catering to the pepe crowd yet again.
I think you just arent really aware of the reality of how this is used on the platform most of the time. Anyway doesnt matter, this battle is over and twitch has banned it.
Yeah, automod is enabled by default to filter out certain terms. You'd have to manually change it to filter less.
Generally, Twitch relies on on the streamer to moderate their own channel, though I'm sure the larger streamers will have Twitch staff in there as well.
looking at my Twitch dashboard, these are the default settings for chat moderation
the thing is the word is so ubiquitous and multifaceted. I see it used everywhere. Again I said it's used in chat as the new "white knight" but it's also used by streamers constantly as a way to talk about harassment and toxic male behavior as well as to show support for their friends.
I dont know what to tell you except to hope people will be better.
Because furthering the word's use in culture is a negative thing. The reason the people you are talking about have appropriated it that way is because it has emerged as toxic, widespread behavior.
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This does nothing to address the behavior they're discussing when using the word simp.
I dunno, maybe use some of their amazon money to fight it and license the most common songs that trigger DMCA claims, like Facebook has.
It does. I'm speaking as someone who used to mod a major channel. Letting "memes" like this take root and flood chat creates a toxic atmosphere that contributes to either making people feel unwelcome or emboldening people to have these attitudes and behaviors. When it becomes this common, people who should know better end up helping to perpetuate it too.
The behavior they are addressing is the use of the word. Banning the word addresses that behavior. It doesn't have to be a single-step solution to cure twitch culture of all misogyny. We could eliminate literally all of twitch's conduct rules if we used that silly logic. Banning racial slurs hasn't stopped racism on Twitch so why ban them?
Yes it is? It's one of the few words censored across all chats.
Wait wait wait. Is the word virgin also banned? But dependin on countries, virgin can be common names here, and in some cases can be a regular verb
Simp is generally used whenever anyone says anything nice about a girl. It's can be pretty toxic imo. There are other uses of course but the most predominate one is to bully people into not being simps in other words "mean to women." Banning this word is not terrible.
The "incel" ban is a strange one unless they are seeing the word as actually meaning "involuntarily celibate" which it obvioosly doesn't mean just that and has an entire context to it that is anti-women so not being able to call a pos an incel sucks and they are allying with incels lol.
Virgin is used in a more self deprecating way on Twitch and it is a meme that all gamers are virgins. No one generally acts attacked when it's used but maybe some are?
But of course you seem to still be able to use the "R" word though which is explicitly ableist.
The "incel" ban is a strange one unless they are seeing the word as actually meaning "involuntarily celibate" which it obvioosly doesn't mean just that and has an entire context to it that is anti-women so not being able to call a pos an incel sucks and they are allying with incels lol.
Virgin is used in a more self deprecating way on Twitch and it is a meme that all gamers are virgins. No one generally acts attacked when it's used but maybe some are?
But of course you seem to still be able to use the "R" word though which is explicitly ableist.