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jett

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Sadly in the US those threats have to be taken seriously.
 

Apathy

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I was just remembering Narcissa the other day and wondering if she ever turned out okay and this is devastating to hear. I have always been hoping, and will continue to hope that she'll be safe.

I understand that reading those words is alarming but anyone with the slightest knowledge of the person behind those words should know that "shooting up Twitch HQ" is just an emotional lashing out and this visibility on her is helpful to absolutely nobody. Made the mistake of looking at replies to that tweet and I want to throw up. I wish she could be left alone, leave her internet presence behind and heal. She's just another tragic case of a vulnerable internet personality being driven into worse and worse places by the hateful mob thats treating her like a game.

No. I'm sorry but every gun threat, specially in the US has to be taken seriously to protect people. Threatening gun violence isn't emotional lashing out.
 

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I was just remembering Narcissa the other day and wondering if she ever turned out okay and this is devastating to hear. I have always been hoping, and will continue to hope that she'll be safe.

I understand that reading those words is alarming but anyone with the slightest knowledge of the person behind those words should know that "shooting up Twitch HQ" is just an emotional lashing out and this visibility on her is helpful to absolutely nobody. Made the mistake of looking at replies to that tweet and I want to throw up.

With all due respect, this is laughable. Even if you have the "slightest knowledge" of their character it's still a fucking shooting threat. Not like they tweeted something bad which would only affect themselves. No, they brought others into the equation, regardless of how serious the threat is.

Peoples first reactions should be serious and concerned. Not "oh they don't mean that".
 

FatalT

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Feb 24, 2019
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I understand that reading those words is alarming but anyone with the slightest knowledge of the person behind those words should know that "shooting up Twitch HQ" is just an emotional lashing out and this visibility on her is helpful to absolutely nobody.
That's not how this works.
 

L Thammy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Threatening gun violence isn't emotional lashing out.
I don't think that this part of what you said is true.

You do have to take threats like this seriously , especially in the US where the availability of guns is absolutely absurd and mass shooting are an everyday event.

But not every shooter is doing it with the goal to cause harm to others. It's also often a self-destructive act - making yourself appear as a threat can be an effective way to incur violent, potentially lethal retaliation against you.

If we don't know what she's going to do and suspect that it might be something that's destructive to herself or others, I think the first priority should be on deescalating the situation. That might require recognizing that this may be emotionally lashing out or a cry for help.
 

Apathy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think that this part of what you said is true.

You do have to take threats like this seriously , especially in the US where the availability of guns is absolutely absurd and mass shooting are an everyday event.

But not every shooter is doing it with the goal to cause harm to others. It's also often a self-destructive act - making yourself appear as a threat can be an effective way to incur violent, potentially lethal retaliation against you.

If we don't know what she's going to do and suspect that it might be something that's destructive to herself or others, I think the first priority should be on deescalating the situation. That might require recognizing that this may be emotionally lashing out or a cry for help.

I don't agree with this. Sorry but the first priority is the safety of the people being threaten with gun violence
 

FatalT

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I don't think that this part of what you said is true.

You do have to take threats like this seriously , especially in the US where the availability of guns is absolutely absurd and mass shooting are an everyday event.

But not every shooter is doing it with the goal to cause harm to others. It's also often a self-destructive act - making yourself appear as a threat can be an effective way to incur violent, potentially lethal retaliation against you.

If we don't know what she's going to do and suspect that it might be something that's destructive to herself or others, I think the first priority should be on deescalating the situation. That might require recognizing that this may be emotionally lashing out or a cry for help.
Maybe in your perfect bubble, the response to someone mentally unwell who threatens to murder an entire office of a company would lead to a wellness check.

This is the real world though, where threats of murder are taken at face-value.

Emotionally lashing out with a threat of murder may in fact just be lashing out but that doesn't matter. It's still a threat of murder.
 

Dever

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Dec 25, 2019
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On Twitter she's saying she was arguing with someone on Discord and showing the chat on stream. Then that other person uploaded some NSFW image. Sounds like something you should be able to come back from, well, if you didn't threaten to shoot up Twitch HQ...
 

thepenguin55

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Oct 28, 2017
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Okay, it took me a minute to put this together but she did a lot of Zelda speed runs for GDQs over the years, right? I remember her speed running the iQue version of OOT on a GDQ. I've kind of fallen off watching GDQs in recent years and I had never followed her beyond their GDQ appearances so I was not aware that they had transitioned or any of this really. Very sad to see she is struggling. I hope they get the help they need. That said, it's 2022 so even though it's almost certainly an empty threat they probably shouldn't take it lightly.
 

mawilite

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Of course Twitch should be taking any potential threat seriously even if it's said by a 3 year old and I would hope that Twitch has any potential event covered on their end but the internet mob and internet reaction threads are not Twitch and being vaguely familiar with this person and other instances of people online being practically egged on to become worse and do worse things by the internet I simply am of the belief that public spotlighting such as the tweet linked in the op is extremely bad lol
 

steviestar3

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Of course Twitch should be taking any potential threat seriously even if it's said by a 3 year old and I would hope that Twitch has any potential event covered on their end but the internet mob and internet reaction threads are not Twitch and being vaguely familiar with this person and other instances of people online being practically egged on to become worse and do worse things by the internet I simply am of the belief that public spotlighting such as the tweet linked in the op is extremely bad lol

Spot on.
 

Apathy

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Oct 25, 2017
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On Twitter she's saying she was arguing with someone on Discord and showing the chat on stream. Then that other person uploaded some NSFW image. Sounds like something you should be able to come back from, well, if you didn't threaten to shoot up Twitch HQ...
Other streamers had accidentally shown porn before (switching to the wrong tab, opening a link in chat that took them to it) and they got a temp ban and eventually came back. Guess what the one thing all those people didn't do? Yeah, they didn't threaten to go on a killing spree.
 

Messofanego

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Its been years so I might be wrong, but I used to watch her streams a lot. I first saw her at a GDQ probably. She was already in a rough spot dealing with financial problems before transitioning, and then after her viewership bottomed out and the harassment started. At the same time she started developing terrible hand pain due to how you have to speed run wind waker so throw chronic pain into the mix. It was a bunch of real bad stuff that hit all at once. Then her streams turned into just her sleeping, her saying controversial things, then the ban. The last few streams were really hard to watch. I remember chat pleading with her to get help, while the other half of chat threw abuse at her. And twitch never did a damn thing.

I believe her mental health issues were seperate from the abuse. She had hand and wrist issues which meant she couldn't continue speedrunning so her popularity dropped. She was banned from Twitch and started streaming on YouTube. Not sure how she's doing now.
Thanks for filling me in.
 

L Thammy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't agree with this. Sorry but the first priority is the safety of the people being threaten with gun violence
This may surprise you, but if you can stop people from committing violent actions, that can also improve the safety of the people who would otherwise be hurt by them.

Most firearms deaths in the USA are suicides - I don't think you can take mental health out of the equation.
 

DarkLegion

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Oct 28, 2017
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I literally popped in the stream the other night and she was playing Melty Blood. The chat was instigating drama with her so I dipped out. It's unfortunate that people are still pushing her to limits but at the same time threats like that need to be taken serious.
 

GrantDaNasty

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Oct 27, 2017
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That threat was out of line, hoping nothing bad happens to anyone working at Twitch.

I also hope Narcissa can get some reinforcement or help, and people realize this is a vulnerable person who, even if they are not a danger to others, could be one to themselves - the "greater good" argument is irrelevant here, everyone should have a happy and peaceful life.

Trans people are one of THE MOST VULNERABLE groups out there, so excuse me for not going "terrorist" or "lol, stupid thing to say, idiot".
 

Turnabout Sisters

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can't imagine being a transwoman that's a public figure, that would be a very rough position. Especially since she was the face of speedrunning in the early years of it becoming mainstream, pre-transition.
 

AliceAmber

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May 2, 2018
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This is sad and concerning situation, but ultimately we don't want to host a thread on someone's mental breakdown.
 
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