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Twitch recommends muting game audio when streaming
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Fair-use is only determined in court. Until then the streamer is banned and making zero income while going through their legal options and if it's worth the money to bring to court.
Mixer would've only been a better choice in this regard if it had a better and more robust solution for dealing with this kind of stuff.
Twitch currently basically has nothing. They just yolo'd it until out of nowhere thousands of claims rolled in last month.
But Youtube at least has some mechanisms to deal with it. It provides the bare minimum to see what is being claimed.
That kind of humming would activate a Youtube bot dont know about Twitch though.
DMCA is such an ancient way of looking at things in the digital age we're in.
Also Twitch is a trash Amazon company.
Also Twitch is a trash Amazon company.
DMCA is trash and twitch sucks for not having something like content ID ready yesterday. They better hurry up with that shit.
No.
You couldn't, for example, buy a home copy of a movie and then set up a projector to play it in a heavily trafficked public square. There are licensing laws related to public performance that would prohibit the use of such things intended for private home consumption only.
Similar case here. Just because a game publisher may have paid for the rights to use somebody's music in their game, doesn't mean that they also paid for any rights related to broadcasting that same music to any kind of audience.
Twitch's customer service certainly isn't being helpful or illustrative on the matter, though. Reminds me of when Youtube was sloppily clamping down on DMCA problems before ironing out their (flawed but purposeful) Content ID system.
Fair use is fairly narrow iirc and the way it gets tossed around online as a defense for streaming doesn't really hold up. Streaming on platforms such as Twitch is mostly able to he done entirely based on the goodwill of publishers since legally the whole idea is in at best a gray area.
People have been DMCA's in twitch over gusts of wind in World of Warcraft.
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Oh absolutely. They damn well should have been getting checks from google and Amazon for YEARS by now
What about someone like Lara6683 who plays piano covers of various songs? It's the entire point of the stream.
If you want to perform music for the public there's already many fees and licensing agreements you have to get into in most scenarios in the US or face the potential of legal blowback. So Lara6683 would probably be in the same boat as anyone else.
Yep, same with Osu, Guitar Hero etc.
I also assume even more traditional rhythm games like Project Diva are a no-go as well since many years ago when I streamed IA V/T (a vocaloid rhythm game) the VoD was flagged like 20+ times for copyrighted music.
Unless they have paid all the relevant parties for a license to cover the songs and broadcast them to the general public, that's also a no-go. Although it doesn't really matter since if the system flags the song it'll get a DMCA strike regardless of if the streamer has the rights as Twitch has no appeals process.
Or like, all of the music in Star Wars Battlefront. Which I guess is licensed music used in a game, but in no way like GTA radio stations. Fortunately EA put in a toggle to disable the soundtrack that gets your channel instanuked from orbit.
Implying that video games music isn't also licensed.
What happens when one of the publishers starts swinging their dick around for their music?
Game soundtracks are nowhere near close to be hit by DMCA compared to other type of music. As far as I know, no one has ever been hit bt DMCA because they have game music from the snes
The problem is the system is so sensitive that people are getting DMCAed over stuff like sirens or sound effects that get sampled by songs.
Ultradavid tried the same thing and still got DMCA'ed for music that was public domain lmao.
They said mute the music and only if that's not possible mute the entire audio. Basically every game has the option to turn off only the music. Seems reasonable to me.
YouTube Gaming isn't as good for the creators though, the discoverability just isn't there unfortunately. I like their video player better though
There was a stretch of several years where Nintendo would auto-claim any Youtube video that used their music. Of course, this didn't put your channel in poor standing, but it did prevent you from monetizing those videos, as any ad revenue would go to Nintendo. Nintendo eventually relented on this twice: first offering Youtubers a 60% cut if they enrolled in the NCP, and eventually just backing off and stopping the claims altogether.
Content-matching algorithms for music have been a source of headaches in general. I once had a playthrough of Sonic 2 content-claimed on Youtube, and it was for the most ridiculous reason:
- Someone completely unaffiliated with Sega somehow took recordings of Sonic music and sold it on iTunes under some small company's music label.
- That company had all of their music entered into Youtube's content database... including these video game rips.
- My video got hit with a content match, ads were placed on it, and the revenue was given to that other company.
It was like a black hole of copyright trolling. Scammers were gaming the system and making a quick buck off of it.
Doesn't seem to be nearly as widespread anymore as it was several years ago, but that's the sort of pitfalls that happen in these algorithm-driven systems. See the above comment in this thread regarding how stock background noise (gusts of wind) used in World of Warcraft is triggering some kind of content match.
If someone does a DCMA claim your options are to pull the offending material down or potentially go to court. Wether someone actually owns something wouldn't even come into play until much further down the line. As someone else pointed out people were getting hits because of sound effects like police sirens that were also sampled in some songs.
If you'd like to know how dumb it can get. I got a DMCA notice on a YouTube video I published of a trip I went on. Because the rain in my video sounded too similar to someone's artificial rain sound they made in a studio lol.
Should specify I bet this happens on Twitch too now lol. It's a shit show
Pretty much, but it doesn't seem like Twitch has implemented the proper channels for doing that yet. Hence their clunky and slapdash scorched-earth effort that seems to be going on in the meantime.
