Problem is your sentence makes zero sense grammatically or contextually. The other one does.
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The fucking mental gymnastics people will go through to explain how they didn't hear a motherfucker shouting "NIGGER" clear as fucking day.
I haven't heard someone say grocery like that where they clearly enunciate 'GRR' and then make complete mush out of the rest of it, it's a different mouth shape than how it's normally pronounced. I feel crazy because I can only hear a slur, I can't think my way into hearing grocery. I had the opposite reaction to the TF-Blade thing.
Yeah, definitely no "b" sound. I have no idea how people are hearing "bigger." But the other two primary interpretations I can hear quite clearly.
This is how I hear it, too.
It's genuinely not "mental gymnastics." This is what my ears and brain detected the first time I listened. If I could only hear the n-word version, l'm sure I would feel angry and gaslit, too.
Likewise the inability for some to admit they're wrong is staggering.
lmao what is wrong with you
I'm gonna be honest, it wasn't until I listened with a good pair of headphones that I was 100% sure she says grocery store... very sloppily. but it's not the n-word. I think it's probably less to do with hearing than it is actual speaker quality people are listening with
It's not my sentence, it's hers. I have no reason to make my own sentence, and she was casually talking to her chat, so there's no reason for her to be grammatically correct. She doesn't say enough syllables for it to be "in the grocery", either.
Contextually, she let her inner monologue slip out, and then explained exactly what she meant by "ethnic" - about what is and isn't "white people food" (again, her words, not mine) and where it may be sold. The context only confirms it.
But that's all I have on this. I have no interest in this being downplayed (this isn't merely someone being "dumb") or feeling gaslit (my speakers are bad now???) any longer.
Or people are just hearing the sounds her mouth is making differently. It's not mental gymnastics.
Some people swear Jimi Hendrix says "excuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze but he's saying "excuse me while I kiss the sky". The 2 phrases just sound similar. Britney Spears uses this in the song If U Seek Amy, which is meant to sound like F U C K Me. Words can sound like different words.
What myself and others are saying is that if you listen to the whole conversation it makes sense. She talks about going to Chinatown to get Ramuen and Pocky and then says "but I guess they have that in the grocery store too now". It's not mental gymnastics if you follow the conversation.
I was fully in here calling bullshit on the people who were saying she said grocery store (grs str). It was frustrating the fuck out of me that people were saying she wasn't saying the N word. Now that I can totally hear it as "they have that'n a grs str too now" I am convinced that is what she is saying. It also makes perfect sense contextually. The way she mumbles she is somehow saying the N word without actually saying the N word. Thats some shitty luck right there.
That said, the gym video, to me, is more evidence than this that she is indeed a privileged and fragile racist. Just not overt enough to casually drop an N bomb like that. Maybe she is, but I do not believe she did it here. Its actually super frustrating reading this thread after I changed my stance on what she said.
I'm not trying to "defend" her either. That gym video boils my fuckin blood. But this aint it. I'd rather talk about that video at this point.
That said, the gym video, to me, is more evidence than this that she is indeed a privileged and fragile racist. Just not overt enough to casually drop an N bomb like that. Maybe she is, but I do not believe she did it here. Its actually super frustrating reading this thread after I changed my stance on what she said.
I'm not trying to "defend" her either. That gym video boils my fuckin blood. But this aint it. I'd rather talk about that video at this point.
That's the difference between my take and yours. Mine doesn't require me to assume motivations or ascribe her evil or angelic intentions. My take uses nothing but the context of her actual conversation.
So do you believe everyone that's come in here hearing it as "n-word store" who then later after repeated listening, sometimes at different speeds, finally hears it as "inna grossstore" are all part of some prank or are trying to gaslight everyone?
Those that are sticking to her saying n-word store are having to create narratives about her being drunk, her having a pet name for a store she dislikes, or her inner monologue leaking out. "In a grocery store" requires none of that because it logically follows the conversation being had.
The dominant grocery store in Texas that she probably shops in, H-E-B, typically has an aisle where the sign above it literally says "Ethnic Foods", and it contains primarily things not from America. That may not be what the word itself means, but that is what that aisle in the grocery store is.
I just watched the gym video and I don't see how it shows that she is racist. Privileged, yes. Full of herself, sure. Racist, nope.
Shes getting angry that she got kicked out by someone who isnt white. Then she said something like "if I was a Saudi prince or something they wouldn't kick me out. Its cuz im white!"
Maybe thats just some crazy fragility sure but it comes off as pretty racist to me. The only reason she brought up race is because she was dealing with non white people. Like she mad a brown person kicked her out.
I can only hear "n***** store" no matter how hard I try to hear anything else.
I took it as her referring to a specific store, local to her, that is either operated or frequented by people who are not white. Ya know, "ethnic". "Not American".
I took it as her referring to a specific store, local to her, that is either operated or frequented by people who are not white. Ya know, "ethnic". "Not American".
Maybe I'm wrong but that doesn't seem racist to me. She wasn't saying anything against a specific race.
If a black man got kicked out for doing the same thing and said "they are only kicking me out because I'm black", it doesn't make him racist.
If that's the case and she commonly refers to international markets as N stores why would she then immediately after say Ramune is on the ethnic aisle. Would that not be insanely redundant?
No. I said I'm FEELING gaslit. I didn't say that was people's motive, nor did I make assumptions about other members. One member was curious about what people heard and if they reviewed or transcribed what was said. So I obliged.
Plus, there's no narrative. I never said anything like "angelic" or "evil". The context of "what is ethnic" and using the phrase "white people food" (which is not what ethnic means, even in the supermarket) is certainly enough to raise eyebrows.
I had an acquaintance in college always refer to Chinese food as g--- food, without hesitation or reflection. People say these types of things, even if they may somehow be unaware of the malice. So this is not out of nowhere, or a narrative I have to craft. I've been quite straightforward where I see this, and even where I see it occurring in American society today.
But now I'm reading assumptions made about me and what I believe. This conversation requires none of that, as this thread is not about me. And if you think you are correct about what you hear, then certainly none of your reasoning requires any assumptions about me.
Fair enough. I just cant help but side eye an entitled white girl screaming racism because shes dealing with someone who isn't white.. In a gym full of other white people.
Some grocery stores around here literally label this type of aisle the "ethnic aisle" or "international aisle".
And those aisles at my local grocer do have pocky and ramune soda.
Occam's razor suggests that she was saying "in a grocery store" in a mumbled way since that actually makes complete sense
And those aisles at my local grocer do have pocky and ramune soda.
Occam's razor suggests that she was saying "in a grocery store" in a mumbled way since that actually makes complete sense
And they have an "ethnic aisle" at this store. That doesn't make much sense.
EDIT: Just to be clear, if what you're saying is right then what she said would be "I guess they have that n***r store too now, Ramune, on some ethnic aisle". That sentence doesn't make sense. "I guess they have that in the grocery store too now, Ramune, on some ethnic aisle" makes perfect sense.
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Had something interesting happen with this today. Played it to people without the suggestion of the n-word or grocery. Everyone just heard her mush mouth and not say any real word.
Maybe it's regional or I hang out w/ too many white girls but I can easily hear grocery store.... if I try.
I can totally see someone saying "n** store" but it doesn't make sense in context because she would be saying "I guess they have that n** store". You lose "in the" so now she is talking about the store's existence and not what it is inside of it. It would be a complete non-sequitur
I mean, replace the slur and tell me it makes sense.. "We can get some pocky.... from the ethnic aisle. I guess they have that walmart too now... ramune. In some ethnic aisle"
I can definitely hear it though, so I get where people are coming from. I'm also aware that her response has been all over the place
I can totally see someone saying "n** store" but it doesn't make sense in context because she would be saying "I guess they have that n** store". You lose "in the" so now she is talking about the store's existence and not what it is inside of it. It would be a complete non-sequitur
I mean, replace the slur and tell me it makes sense.. "We can get some pocky.... from the ethnic aisle. I guess they have that walmart too now... ramune. In some ethnic aisle"
I can definitely hear it though, so I get where people are coming from. I'm also aware that her response has been all over the place
She didn't say "nigger". I dont have to go through any gymnastics because I can literally hear her say "inna grocery store".
The slow mo actually makes it clear to me it's Grocery Store. I'm no mouth reader but the video helps as much as the audio.
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The thead has become the yanni/laurel thread, except the yanni side is calling everyone racist.
Fortunately, most people in here are being fairly reasonable, but no, just no. Stop with this shit. This isn't about some people wanting to defend her because they themselves are crypto-racists or whatever. You might have more of a case on other communities (e.g. the old place, Reddit, 4chan, Twitter...), but ERA (and, I assume the majority of people participating in this thread)? Nah. This site is still way more progressive on average that some people give it credit for. Anyway, some people, myself included, genuinely think she said a(n admittedly slurred) "in a grocery store", but it's so heavily slurred that the "y" is essentially inaudible. Are we absolutely certain she didn't say the n-word? No. Are we even making a claim that she's not a racist? Hell no. Given that she's a white Twitch streamer and some of the shit she's said in the past, I'd honestly be more surprised if she didn't turn out to be a racist. But even in that case, it doesn't mean that, in this particular instance, she said the n-word.
People slur their speech all the time, especially when they speak casually for a long period of time. If you happen to speak several languages with different levels of proficiency (don't know if you do, just saying because it's my case), you should be hyper-aware of that fact. So, in this case, I go with what logically makes the most sense in context. She's talking about some well-known Japanese products and wagering you can find them in pretty much any store, even a grocery store if they have an 'ethnic aisle' (which, I agree with others, is a questionable way of calling it, but hey, some stores still call it that, even in other countries, so, yeah).
Again, it might turn out that she did intend to say the n-word - I doubt we'll ever know for sure. But don't act like anyone who disputes this notion, on ERA of all places, has some ulterior racist motive. Fuck that. It's insulting.
Mouth reading with her is difficult because of the dental device she wears that restricts the movement of her mouth.
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Why is that?
Also Tarkus , tried messaging you and you've been online since, was wondering if you could continue our discussion
The real "mental gymnastics" here is the bias created by the tweet in the OP telling you what to hear before you've even listened to it
If you hear Laurel you're racist and should be banned and are ensuring Trump wins 2020, even.
Yeah, once you're told hey, listen to this witch say n*****, your brain is going to have a hard time.
Yep, it's quite telling that he still hasn't added all the subsequent videos/tweets etc.
I didn't know what it said before I listened. I did know it was bad though due to the thread title so I was primed in that sense. Showed it to my wife and asked her only "What do you hear" and she heard it.
This. So much this.
I heard the insult the first time, but on second (and subsequent) listen, I hear grocery store.
I definitely hear the N-Store every time its played. There's either two possibilities:
For clarification, I'm not a fan or defending her. Just laying out the facts as they appear.
- She did say the N-word as a freudian slip
- She did not say the N-word, but it certainly sounds like it due to the mumbled / slurred nature of her words
For clarification, I'm not a fan or defending her. Just laying out the facts as they appear.
Listened to it yesterday on Apple headphones and I couldn't hear anything other than the n-word, but when I listen now at my desk with on-ear headphones it sounds much more ambiguous.
There's a video demonstrating how a frequency filter (or something like that) could change the way people perceived Yanny/Laurel. I wonder if the same would work here.
There's a video demonstrating how a frequency filter (or something like that) could change the way people perceived Yanny/Laurel. I wonder if the same would work here.
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