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Crossing Eden took up like 3 pages of this thread arguing this same point lol, so that's one reason the thread is this long.
This is why you look like you're hating on women because you jump to "think of the children" concern trolling and being so bothered by a woman making money. You absolutely don't seem the same concern on this level when there is so much bigotry on Twitch, people are not as bothered to bring up children.
A prerequisite for people whining about this thread should be to read the damn thread. Do the women we're actually supporting who use Twitch to make a living have a problem with Amouranth because they also hate women? Or do you think their legit complaints are just the product of jealousy?
Why would people bring up children when talking about bigotry on Twitch? It is almost universally agreed that Twitch moderation is terrible in general. Who is going to make the argument, "I'd be fine with the bigotry, but think of the children!?"
I mean, that makes perfect sense? Some dude saying the N word or something is a pretty open and shut case of "fuck that guy", not much discussion to be had. When someone is pushing boundaries there's bound to be more debate around it as you get people who fall on different sides of the issue for different reasons, so the discussion is much more active.
Lets put aside "why is it a bigger thread on reset era" then and try "why is it always a bigger controversy on the internet at large". The same point stands, controversies like this get much more attention than controversies around male streamers for an extremely clear fucking reason, and its not because the internet thinks its such a more interesting nuanced discussion to have.
Or maybe this is a nuanced topic worthy of discussion in general while someone saying the N word is an obvious case of "Screw that guy. "?
Of course there's concern about bigotry and hate speech on Twitch. But you wont see people bring up that point because, at least here, it's admitted already that this is bad. In that case here, there's a discussion going on, people agreeing and disagreeing. The argument that "people cares here but don't care for the other stuff" is silly, since in one case, we're all agreeing while on the other, we don't.
Not every parts of the internet are the same though. Of course, in some circles, this kind of controversies gets more attention because some people have a hate boner and sees that as a revenge. Even worse, they don't even see the racism and hate speech as controversial.
If you had bothered to actually read this thread, you would have seen that it is a nuanced discussion, because we have a woman who admittedly doesn't care about Twitch outside of using it to drive Twitch users to her Only Fans account negatively affecting women on Twitch who do in fact want to make a living on Twitch. Not giving a damn about Amouranth but caring more about the women she and Twitch are negatively impacting is hardly a "you just hate women" situation. But again, you'd need to read the thread you're whining about to catch that nuance you desire.
You're really going to assert that their is no sexist motivation at all behind the internet's obsession with any controversies over women streamers and complete handwaving of controversies against men who stream. That is the hill you're going for, that its all made up in my head?
You're right, it's not because the internet thinks it's such an interesting nuanced discussion to have, even though as evidenced by these threads it is one. It's because the idea of people sitting in their living room splashing around in a kiddy pool and trying to fart into a microphone for paying viewers sounds, and is, ridiculous. If there were men doing stuff as crazy as that then people will be flocking to talk about it. Someone saying a slur is incredibly boring in comparison.
Agreed. If the forum is in agreement Twitch is no longer a gaming only site - then this thread isn't gaming related.
The thing is that this has always been the case before things got real wild with Amouranth hot tub streams. Any thing a woman does on twitch is much more heavily dissected than men, and its been that way for YEARS, long before any of the current thread topic. It's a bigger trend than you are acting like.
This right here. The Internet's disgusting underbelly always shows itself when these controversies arise and the piece of garbage come out in full force for non-genuine reasons.
BOY, did that first comment age like milk...
"Reinforcing toxic and destructive attitudes towards people because they're different in the minds of children has NOTHING to do with children! But letting them see how many fully adult horndogs will sit and watch a fully clothed woman lay on a bed or do a dance, THAT'S where I draw the line!!!"
But are they streaming games while doing this? It doesn't make sense.
Yup.
I'm digging Indiefoxx' stream today. She's a good entertainer but she should probably avoid pushing Twitch's boundaries again.
Marine habitat still the number one hot tub stream. I hope theyre getting donations.
Shes got a nice voice. She just sang a song about Twitch admins not communicating properly with her.
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I do think that any streamer with any meaningful community should do their best to keep their communities from turning into shit, but the thing is this isn't just a twitch problem this is a "live chat" problem, cause it's not like actively moderated chats are perfect. Also, the "just banning some women" I really don't understand why some of you are trying to defend this or bringing up the sexism angle, like we can agree that twitch communities can be trash so let's allow shit that will make them much worse and possibly hurt the whole platform? And like I mentioned in my post you know damn well that if it were hot guys doing this crap twitch would've shut it down yesterday. Twitch has banned streamers for wearing clothes they didn't like, but these "streamers" who are clearly testing the limit of what they can get away with exploiting loopholes in the guidelines to make "content" that is clearly violates them and doesn't belong on the platform are apparently fine, because sexism? I think it's because money.
I get the feeling a lot of people posting opinions in this thread don't actually use twitch, due to the amount of whataboutism I see around a supposed racist comments problem on the platform. It's not common to see racist outbursts from streamers. I've never personally seen it. There's certainly no racist meta.
Every channel I regularly watch would ban anyone in chat for saying racist things and none of them would dream of saying anything racist. It's not something I've encountered. I'm not saying it's never happened, since people are broadcasting live and anyone is allowed to broadcast, but it's not a normal thing with full time streamers by any stretch whatsoever.
Every channel I regularly watch would ban anyone in chat for saying racist things and none of them would dream of saying anything racist. It's not something I've encountered. I'm not saying it's never happened, since people are broadcasting live and anyone is allowed to broadcast, but it's not a normal thing with full time streamers by any stretch whatsoever.
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Why does Amouranth not mark her stream as 18+ on twitch? Do you think she's an idiot who doesn't realize you can do that?
Your entire post is, frankly, idiotic. There is no male equivalent to Amouranth on twitch.
Can't wait for when they choose banning "sexy" off the site and that just becomes Twitch over-policing women's bodies. There is 0% chance twitch can ban "sexy" stuff off their site without it becoming even more of a fucking nightmare for women who stream. The only people who will suffer that decision would be women. Make 18+ streams only available to people who verify their age.
They dont need to ban "Sexy", they need to ban "Sexual" but before they can do that they need to figure out what they deem is considered sexual because right now they don't have a fucking clue, or they do but they are too afraid to act on it for fear of the PR Shit storm that will follow because they waited to long.
A frankly wild response to someone calling out the long sexist history in the way the twitch community reacts to women doing significantly more mild things than the current topic.
She was getting barely any viewers before she started doing the hot tub. Pushing boundaries is her thing.
The problem with Twitch is that they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. They are allowing this kind of content on the site, but only allowing it for the big money makers. Many women streamers that have small audiences have been banned permanently for much less. When inevitably, their advertising partners throw a fit for the platform being non child friendly, Twitch will throw their hands up and say "my bad, we dont allow sexy content on our platform", throw everyone on their platform under the bus and go on with their day. Twitch and a select amount of streamers will have made their money, while everyone else suffers the consequences.
I just had to reply to this again because I've pretty much had this stream going nonstop on my second screen throughout the past week and it's given me life, I swear to god.
I wanted to be mad at you for pushing this thread but then I saw the guy just swimming around while holding on to his toy and all is well in the world
I just saw this as well. If she's only de-partnered she can stream and point people elsewhere. I'll guess we'll find out soon.
It's this a delayed reaction on top of the first ban or did she immediately break tos again after that one?
Honestly if you purposely skin the line of being banned to create as much attention and eyes on you as possible the bans are justified. The whole im not actually touching you skirt by the rules a few streamers have been doing for awhile was too much, of course Twitch is garbage at laying out the rules and unjustly bans other streamers for nothing.
