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Beje

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pretty much. And then it's every other Streamer that will pay the price for that.

Exactly. Can't wait (/s) until something really bad happens and they have to overcorrect in order to get advertisers/payments back and we are forced to stream sports and physical activities in long baggy pants and hoodies even during Summer, or women have to start bringing the measuring tape to their perfectly normal off-the-rack clothes just because they couldn't be arsed to permaban repeated offenders of the "no focus on crotch or butt or poses to highlight them on camera" rule since letting them break the rules was profitable.
 

AndrewDean84

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I mean, why not just watch Cinemax late at night (still a thing?) at this point. It's not porn, but it ain't exactly kid friendly.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but let's not act like it isn't women selling their bodies (visually) for popularity/money. Is the end game goal to get super popular to get a high end deal from a porno company? I'd have to image they've already been offered something low.
 

SuzanoSho

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I mean, why not just watch Cinemax late at night (still a thing?) at this point. It's not porn, but it ain't exactly kid friendly.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but let's not act like it isn't women selling their bodies (visually) for popularity/money. Is the end game goal to get super popular to get a high end deal from a porno company? I'd have to image they've already been offered something low.
Is Twitch supposed to be kid-friendly?...
 

pikachief

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I mean, why not just watch Cinemax late at night (still a thing?) at this point. It's not porn, but it ain't exactly kid friendly.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but let's not act like it isn't women selling their bodies (visually) for popularity/money. Is the end game goal to get super popular to get a high end deal from a porno company? I'd have to image they've already been offered something low.

They probably make a ton of money doing this and they dont have to be nude to do if. I wouldnt take a porn deal either lol but I'd might be willing to do what theyre doing for the pay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Jobbs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is Twitch supposed to be kid-friendly?...

The rules allow for 13 year olds to be on it.

Twitch is being run in a very strange way. They have to pretend to be a general audiences mainstream site or their advertisers are gone, but they also want to allow all of this smut for some reason while refusing to call it what it is. And it's the most cringe shit ever because they won't call a spade a spade or take a stance on it.
 

AndrewDean84

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is Twitch supposed to be kid-friendly?...
I'm not sure honestly. I don't let my daughter watch streamers (12). It all seems pointless to me (get off my lawn!).

But I guess I never knew Twitch was doing fetish streams either. I thought it was just people playing Minecraft. But everything does tend to turn into sex eventually.
 

SuzanoSho

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Dec 25, 2017
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The rules allow for 13 year olds to be on it.
So what does kid-friendly mean to you?...

If a website or service has something you don't want your kid to be exposed to, do YOUR job and block it. For those parents out there that don't think it's worth trying to shield their 13 year old from, the website allows them to be on there...
 

Tbm24

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I mean, why not just watch Cinemax late at night (still a thing?) at this point. It's not porn, but it ain't exactly kid friendly.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but let's not act like it isn't women selling their bodies (visually) for popularity/money. Is the end game goal to get super popular to get a high end deal from a porno company? I'd have to image they've already been offered something low.
There are levels to this. Going into porn isn't some end game and by virtue of leveraging your physical being for attention and money this way does not mean you want to actually do porn.
 

Jobbs

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Oct 25, 2017
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So what does kid-friendly mean to you?...

If a website or service has something you don't want your kid to be exposed to, do YOUR job and block it. For those parents out there that don't think it's worth trying to shield their 13 year old from, the website allows them to be on there...

Parents should parent their kids, but Twitch has some responsibility as well. I don't have any judgements about porn sites but I find twitch uniquely problematic because it's masquerading as a mainstream 13+ site and claims to specifically not allow overly sexual content while also serving all of this stuff up. It also puts pressure on regular female streamers to do this stuff or have an onlyfans or whatever. I know for a fact some people weren't happy about the ASMR category being taken over by this shit and all the regular ASMR streamers being pushed down in their category for it.

It's a shitshow. It just doesn't belong on the site, it should be somewhere else. It seems insane to me that this is what's going on and allowed
 

SuzanoSho

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Parents should parent their kids, but Twitch has some responsibility as well. I don't have any judgements about porn sites but I find twitch uniquely problematic because it's masquerading as a mainstream 13+ site and claims to specifically not allow overly sexual content while also serving all of this stuff up. It also puts pressure on regular female streamers to do this stuff or have an onlyfans or whatever. I know for a fact some people weren't happy about the ASMR category being taken over by this shit and all the regular ASMR streamers being pushed down in their category for it.

It's a shitshow. It just doesn't belong on the site, it should be somewhere else. It seems insane to me that this is what's going on and allowed
It doesn't put any pressure on anyone to do any of this stuff, the same way allowing people that are good at battle royale games to stream on there doesn't put pressure on other people to stop streaming their games of choice, etc. There are other platforms to stream from, I'm sure, and it honestly sounds to me like you couldn't care less what other female streamers are "pressured to do" except for trying to fabricate an image entirely for this argument.

Maybe it's because I don't use Twitch or any other streaming site, but this entire "outrage" seems like yet another situation where people expect the world to raise their kids with minimal effort from the parent. You conveniently don't mind the other non-"kid-friendly" content your 13 year old has access to on the internet, but Twitch is somehow supposed to be sacred?...
 

AndrewDean84

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone that hasn't allowed their kid to watch anything on Twitch, I will continue to not allow it. I don't blame Twitch for its content. I think they should be more upfront about being a place that allows for sexual content though. I'm not for censorship. I'm for categorizing though. I'd like to know if a site has content of women showing off their bodies simulating blowjobs or whatever though.
 

Jobbs

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone that hasn't allowed their kid to watch anything on Twitch, I will continue to not allow it. I don't blame Twitch for its content. I think they should be more upfront about being a place that allows for sexual content though. I'm not for censorship. I'm for categorizing though. I'd like to know if a site has content of women showing off their bodies simulating blowjobs or whatever though.

So you don't blame twitch for its content, but think it's wrong for them to not be up front about their content?

That's the whole problem. Their refusal to be up front about it or categorize it or own the fact that they have sexual content *is* the problem
 
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There are levels to this. Going into porn isn't some end game and by virtue of leveraging your physical being for attention and money this way does not mean you want to actually do porn.
Pretty much all of the women directly relevant to this discussion do porn, though, and in fact are using Twitch almost exclusively as a vehicle to advertise it (which is against Twitch rules among the dozens of other rules broken, but they don't care because they make money off of Amouranth et al).
 

Kinsei

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Oct 25, 2017
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So what does kid-friendly mean to you?...
Not the one you're quoting, but kid friendly to me means streamer actively making use of the mature content tools they have access to in order to properly mark their streams. You can set your stream as mature but these streamers aren't doing that as it messes with their ability to get on the front page.
 

SuzanoSho

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As someone that hasn't allowed their kid to watch anything on Twitch, I will continue to not allow it. I don't blame Twitch for its content. I think they should be more upfront about being a place that allows for sexual content though. I'm not for censorship. I'm for categorizing though. I'd like to know if a site has content of women showing off their bodies simulating blowjobs or whatever though.
That's fair, although I honestly don't think that's the tone that any website showing streaming has set thus far, aside from the more specific ones.

What I don't understand is how there are people in this thread who all of a sudden care about what women "might be pressured into doing" and in the same breath feel like these girls who don't want to do porn should go take their streams to a service on which they'd very much be pressured to do porn...

This website is so pro-"speak with your wallet" for everything else but refuses to direct their animosity at the people who created the market for this kind of shit on Twitch? And how are female streamers complaining about TWITCH allowing for this content in response their own viewers pressuring them to do the same kinds of streams? Lmfao...
 

Bufbaf

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So this isn't about your precious kids at all, then?...
Why do you want to pin down Jobbs here? Twitch's TOS, which you would know if you would know the site, state pretty openly how it's rules about sexually suggestive stuff are to be interpreted, and no matter how one twists it, these streamers absolutely are not within those rules. I don't see how this is in question, and I don't see how they (Twitch, not the streamers) can not be rightfully blamed for not adhering to their own rules, while on the other side of the track, people get banned left and right for just being near those rules.
 

AndrewDean84

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Oct 25, 2017
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So you don't blame twitch for its content, but think it's wrong for them to not be up front about their content?

That's the whole problem. Their refusal to be up front about it or categorize it or own the fact that they have sexual content *is* the problem
I know, my wording isn't the best, I apologize.

What I mean is, people are gonna do the sex stuff. Sites are gonna be ok with the sex stuff. Twitch should 100% be allowed to allow the sex stuff. Just let us know that there's sex stuff. Call a spade a spade. Maybe force a pop-up on the app/site about sexual content. Label those streamers in question as sexual fetish workers or something.
 

SuzanoSho

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Why do you want to pin down Jobbs here? Twitch's TOS, which you would know if you would know the site, state pretty openly how it's rules about sexually suggestive stuff are to be interpreted, and no matter how one twists it, these streamers absolutely are not within those rules. I don't see how this is in question, and I don't see how they (Twitch, not the streamers) can not be rightfully blamed for not adhering to their own rules, while on the other side of the track, people get banned left and right for just being near those rules.
Nobody's "pinning down" anyone, he's the one that responded.

I just went to Twitch's TOS and searched "sex" and "suggestive" and got no hits. Not saying you're lying, but could you please show me where your claim is validated?...

And even so, your argument is completely different. I responded to someone claiming that this isnt conducive to a "kid-friendly" environment. What does anything you said have to do with that?...
 
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I know, my wording isn't the best, I apologize.

What I mean is, people are gonna do the sex stuff. Sites are gonna be ok with the sex stuff. Twitch should 100% be allowed to allow the sex stuff. Just let us know that there's sex stuff. Call a spade a spade. Maybe force a pop-up on the app/site about sexual content. Label streamers as sexual fetish workers or something.
The problem is they have rules against it. They just enforce them arbitrarily.
 

Doomguy Fieri

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I mean, why not just watch Cinemax late at night (still a thing?) at this point. It's not porn, but it ain't exactly kid friendly.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but let's not act like it isn't women selling their bodies (visually) for popularity/money. Is the end game goal to get super popular to get a high end deal from a porno company? I'd have to image they've already been offered something low.
Cursed, cursed, cursed image. This is the real Cyberpunk.
 

SuzanoSho

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Dec 25, 2017
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sure


It already came up multiple, multiple times in this very thread.
Okay cool, and simulated earlicking violates which of the plainly described things under the "Sexually suggestive" section?...

If you were paying attention to the conversation at all, then please also tell me how this pressures other women into doing it and why you're coming to the specific defense of someone who literally mentioned nothing about Twitch's TOS, in a conversation that had nothing to do with Twitch's TOS...
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Nobody's "pinning down" anyone, he's the one that responded.

I just went to Twitch's TOS and searched "sex" and "suggestive" and got no hits. Not saying you're lying, but could you please show me where your claim is validated?...

And even so, your argument is completely different. I responded to someone claiming that this isnt conducive to a "kid-friendly" environment. What does anything you said have to do with that?...
Multiple people on the very first page of this thread cite the ToS explicitly forbidding aiming the camera at breasts, buttocks, etc as the central focus of the screen, which is exactly what is being done.
 

Bufbaf

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Okay cool, and simulated earlicking violates which of the plainly described things under the "Sexually suggestive" section?...
Yeah not going to repeat this argument again. Check the Sexually Suggestive Content section, first point. Literally no one cares about the earlicking part of this whole operation.

If you were paying attention to the conversation at all, then please also tell me how this pressures other women into doing it and why you're coming to the specific defense of someone who literally mentioned nothing about Twitch's TOS, in a conversation that had nothing to do with Twitch's TOS...
If you were paying attention to the thread, you would have all the answers you're asking for. I'm not coming to Jobbs' defense, we disagree on various things, the discussion between you two just sounded way too personal and aggressive, just like you're doing it with me now. Which is why this is the end of it for me.
 

AndrewDean84

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lol why do people always feel the need to add this part 🙄 🤣
If you read the whole sentence, you can see why I'm not bothered. I've continued this position. I'm all for attractive women making money off chatting with people and doing fetish requests. It's a living. Not a living I could do, lol, as an older heavy guy.

Again, absolutely no problem with the content, just need a better way of either labeling streamers as sex folk, or hold streamers accountable to TOS.
 

Gorgosh

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A website full of video games streams and video game content is probably uniquely attractive for a 13 year old child in ways that other questionable internet locations may not be.
Yet streams of 18+ games are allowed. Twitch is international and not only operating in America. Most of the world sees this sexual content less problematic than someone playing an ultra violent game. Just put in age verification for all adult content or leave it as it is. But why single out sexual content as "not kid friendly".
 

SuzanoSho

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I don't know what it is with some of you responding specifically to things with an entirely different conversation and then getting upset when someone reminds you about what the conversation between those two specific people is about. It's almost as if butting your head into a conversation without actually READING the conversation is destined to make you look foolish in the process...

How in perfect hell entering into an exchange between me and Jobbs with "why are you picking on Jobbs" isn't considered coming to Jobbs defense is baffling, to me ..
 
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Dice

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you read the whole sentence, you can see why I'm not bothered. I've continued this position. I'm all for attractive women making money off chatting with people and doing fetish requests. It's a living. Not a living I could do, lol, as an older heavy guy.

Again, absolutely no problem with the content, just need a better way of either labeling streamers as sex folk, or hold streamers accountable to TOS.

Yeah but it's like a question answered that no one asked. I swear, most of the time in these "sexy topics" guys just gotta interject with "I SEE THE PROBLEM, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME , BUTT I SEE IT". I wouldn't assume most people personally have a problem with it; the problem is more about what twitch allows on its page and why.

(some select post from the hottub thread)

It doesn't really bother me, but does anyone else find it pretty funny when you see them cramming the biggest paddling pool they could buy in Costco into the smallest room in the house, and then have to pretend like it's relaxing and luxurious for hours straight??
It doesn't bother me as I only watch a few streamers but I think it's sad that people take part in it. Just go to PornHub.
Same. It doesn't seem to me to be arguable that this particular stream is porn-adjacent if not pornography -- it doesn't actually bother me, I'm fine with porn being on Twitch, frankly, but I also think it should be called what it is.
I mean SF has its fair share of man skin on display as well so it doesn't bother me too much.

Sorry I'm being mostly an ass, but I see it so much I can't help but wonder why it's just a thing to say, especially if a specfici topic seemingly "doesn't bother them". :P
I get what you're adding and appreciate it, I just don't feel the build up is needed (and in topics like this feels odd haha)

"Why don't you just take off your clothes for money?? I'd do it if I was you!"

I hate things that contribute to this attitude.

Yeah I've had more than a couple guy friends say this to me too, they just...don't get it. 🤦‍♀️
I guess it's a shame women haven't historically and unabashedly sexualized men in the same way so more fellas can finally make their cam money...??? 😬

Yet streams of 18+ games are allowed. Twitch is international and not only operating in America. Most of the world sees this sexual content less problematic than someone playing an ultra violent game. Just put in age verification for all adult content or leave it as it is. But why single out sexual content as "not kid friendly".

Bah, I had a reply, but acidentally X'd that tab. Anyways here's a post that did say it better:
It's not just "let them do their thing and make money, lol"

- they can do "their thing" and make money on the sites that are specialized on that kind of content
- other women on Twitch are getting harrassed into doing the same thing.
- there is a big chance that censor-happy countries are going to ban Twitch because of Anti-Porn laws in those countries, leaving millions of normal twitch streamers and viewers from those countries in the dust
- there is a good chance, that "youth-protecting" agencies from western countries like in Germany or the whole EU are forcing Twitch to Age-gate the whole content, with needing to prove your age through electronic ID or other methods
- there is non-zero chance that consoles and Smart TV's are banning twitch or force an Age-Gate on Twitch (apparently Sony is big on protecting their playerbase from bad actors)
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Yet streams of 18+ games are allowed. Twitch is international and not only operating in America. Most of the world sees this sexual content less problematic than someone playing an ultra violent game. Just put in age verification for all adult content or leave it as it is. But why single out sexual content as "not kid friendly".
I've always found this logic to be wrong, no one's really engaging the games being streamed the same way they are interacting with the person running the stream. The streamer holds a lot of power / authority especially with a younger audience.
 

AndrewDean84

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Yet streams of 18+ games are allowed. Twitch is international and not only operating in America. Most of the world sees this sexual content less problematic than someone playing an ultra violent game. Just put in age verification for all adult content or leave it as it is. But why single out sexual content as "not kid friendly".
That's what I'd like. And yeah, not just for the sex stuff, but for violent games as well.

I get that not every stream from a streamer will be for a violent game. Would it be difficult to add a checkbox before starting a stream for "Adult Content" ?
 
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Yet streams of 18+ games are allowed. Twitch is international and not only operating in America. Most of the world sees this sexual content less problematic than someone playing an ultra violent game. Just put in age verification for all adult content or leave it as it is. But why single out sexual content as "not kid friendly".

The user I was responding to made a comparison between other places on the internet and Twitch, i.e., "Well, there are other naughty places online, so why is Twitch a problem?" My point is that Twitch is uniquely attractive for children in a way that other places on the internet are not. That's all.
 

Jobbs

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The user I was responding to made a comparison between other places on the internet and Twitch, i.e., "Well, there are other naughty places online, so why is Twitch a problem?" My point is that Twitch is uniquely attractive for children in a way that other places on the internet are not. That's all.

Ding ding ding ding.

I have children in my family that talk about being streamers and they love influencers and they're 13 and 15. They're girls. I don't like that the site that houses all the stuff they look up to is displaying all this shit on there and then not even admitting that it's sexual. I question how they internalize this being what's popular and how they should then view themselves and how they should behave for others (particularly males). I have some concerns about some of the most popular female streamers making a habit out of writing guys names on their body for money. In before someone but the kids me or pearl clutches me or whatever, but this is ridiculous
 

gogosox82

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I see people are still doing "it doesn't belong on twitch becuase reasons" excuse again. Just admit your a prude and you don't like seeing sexually suggestive content. I would at least respect your honestly even if i don't respect your position.
 

SuzanoSho

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The user I was responding to made a comparison between other places on the internet and Twitch, i.e., "Well, there are other naughty places online, so why is Twitch a problem?" My point is that Twitch is uniquely attractive for children in a way that other places on the internet are not. That's all.
You're not even representing my comment honestly. I didn't make the comparison, the person I responded to did. "Uniquely attractive" or not, if you as a parent can recognize that that isn't the case, why does it matter what age group you THINK it's trying to cater to if your argument is "but what about the kids"? YouTube is way more attractive to 13 yos than Twitch, and it's also full of games, and explicit content...

The characterization of Twitch as some kind of entity trying to lure your kids into developing an interest in women sexually is about as disingenuous as the same argument being applied to websites hosting manga and anime. Both of which would be "uniquely catered" to 13 year olds and are also full of sexually suggestive content in their ads and media. It wasn't just a "there's porn on the internet" statement...
 
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AndrewDean84

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I see people are still doing "it doesn't belong on twitch becuase reasons" excuse again. Just admit your a prude and you don't like seeing sexually suggestive content. I would at least respect your honestly even if i don't respect your position.
I'm cool with it being on Twitch. Maybe add a pop-up is all I'm asking. Shit, porn sites at least do that 🤣