The game is literally crippled by the Hollywood star cast.
The twist(s) it's trying to o pull off require really strong and intimate connection with the characters, yet the game didn't spend nearly enough time to properly establish it because of (i assume) budgetary reasons.
It's literally just: introduction -> 2 loops of exposition dump -> ending. I felt fucking nothing at the end. Should've hire cheaper actors or go full text-based.
Only using 3 voice actors was a mistake or I'm a huge idiot.
You find out you're sleeping with your half sister and your character freaks out. The scene changes and Willem Dafoe is interrogating you and talks about you sleeping with his daughter.
So your wife is Bumblebee? You're his son? His plan was to tie up and kill his own daughter to get money for his daughters cancer treatment? What?
Obviously not. It's a different character. Just the voice and top down perspective left me ridiculously confused about what was happening.
My read, based on the credits giving Willem Dafoe only one credit as "Father" is that both Father and Husband had their memories wiped.
Then 8 years later, father comes looking for the watch, thinking he was a friend of father. He has forgotten himself, just like Husband. Wife believes she murdered her father so she wouldn't know he was alive anyways.
I don't know why wife would be Bumblebee. 8 years have passed. They are two different characters with two different VAs. Interestingly they didn't get Daisy Ridley to do that voice . There's no reason I can see to think Willem Dafoe is two characters. Again, open to being corrected by the text, but that's my read after one playthrough.
The game is literally crippled by the Hollywood star cast.
The twist(s) it's trying to o pull off require really strong and intimate connection with the characters, yet the game didn't spend nearly enough time to properly establish it because of (i assume) budgetary reasons.
It's literally just: introduction -> 2 loops of exposition dump -> ending. I felt fucking nothing at the end. Should've hire cheaper actors or go full text-based.
I have to agree. There is so little to the characters and you learn basically nothing about their relationship that the twist has to work on concept alone and I don't think it does. Unfortunately not a fan of it overall.
.... That was unfortunately really dumb imo, or at least really didn't work for me.
Up until the *twist*, I liked it well enough, but I'm a sucker for time loops. Ending kind of leaves a meh impression for something I've been looking forward to for a while. Shame.
2 hours in, I give up for today, just can't progress. I tried several things and got a bit further like knocking the cop out with the lightswitch after the wife goes to sleep with sleeping pills, then talking with him and looking into his phone but nothing really helps me to get further.
I also have no idea what the second item is to proof the time loop to her and also I don't know where the hell the watch is.
I am fascinated to see people not finding the watch after a healthy amount of time. Not shaming or anything, just interesting to me what some people find early in this game vs. what others find early in it.
I am fascinated to see people not finding the watch after a healthy amount of time. Not shaming or anything, just interesting to me what some people find early in this game vs. what others find early in it.
2 hours in, I give up for today, just can't progress. I tried several things and got a bit further like knocking the cop out with the lightswitch after the wife goes to sleep with sleeping pills, then talking with him and looking into his phone but nothing really helps me to get further.
I also have no idea what the second item is to proof the time loop to her and also I don't know where the hell the watch is.
Stab the cop while he's tied up and he'll talk to you a lot more. Then look at the photo on the fridge. Once you have context from the cop, that's the second item you need.
. I just wasn't getting there and getting frustrated was not worth it.
the game is really ambitious, no doubt about it but the mechanics of solving the puzzles really are just traditional point and click stuff which I don't love.
I feel like Outer Wilds used the computer and the fact that you couldn't really interact with anything to help make that experience less frustrating (even if I still had to search a couple of things).
Regardless, I will finish this even if I have to use a walkthrough from time to time.
I am fascinated to see people not finding the watch after a healthy amount of time. Not shaming or anything, just interesting to me what some people find early in this game vs. what others find early in it.
All I know so far is "It's in the - ".
And of course I thought it's in the vent and you can even put a light in there but that does nothing. So no clue.
eh. it started out good. but then some small things that make you repeat the same steps without anything interesting happening just to get a certain trigger to occur got annoying.
for example showing the cop the picture on the fridge. i made sure to take it down so i could hand it to him after calling his daughter. nope you had to leave it on the fridge so that he could walk over there and see it himself.
eh. it started out good. but then some small things that make you repeat the same steps without anything interesting happening just to get a certain trigger to occur got annoying.
for example showing the cop the picture on the fridge. i made sure to take it down so i could hand it to him after calling his daughter. nope you had to leave it on the fridge so that he could walk over there and see it himself.
Ha, the exact same thing happened to me with the picture. I thought he would just kill her if I didn't have it on me to give it to him. They really should have made that an option, it's kind of silly.
I thought this was fine but I was hoping that it would use the three rooms in a deeper way. The narrative certainly has some pretty bold twists that I thought were decent but the entire experience never blew me away even if I think it's a really neat concept at its core. But there were flashes of brilliance, like it felt really exciting the first time I thought to
hide in the closet and watch how the scene unfolds if the wife thinks you're not home yet.
Moments like that make it seem like there's tons of potential here even if I left slightly disappointed. Like I found it odd that certain things you could interact with never came into play at all. For example I discovered early on that you flush things down the toilet which I was sure would be an important mechanic later but it wasn't. I also realized you could put the watch in any of the three vents which I was sure would be relevant but it wasn't at all. I also assumed that looking at the paintings surely would become relevant to something but it never was.
There also are a few ways to progress that felt a little too trial and error, especially when it takes a while to re-loop (for example, I had to do the light switch cop knockout trick several loops to get everything I needed and it started to get exhausting repeating all the steps every single time to get the set-up right.) That said, there was a lot of clever progressions that I was satisfied to solve on my own (the use of sleeping pills comes to mind). It's a cool idea but it just feels like it needed more stuff to do and a clearer sense of logic in its progression. The voice acting was strangely kinda flat too even though all three are good actors (Dafoe was probably the best here), I'm gonna guess the director probably doesn't have tons of experience working with good actors.
knock the guy out with the switch? I'm trying to show him the photo with the wife with me in the room and he kills me every time. Starting to piss me off.
knock the guy out with the switch? I'm trying to show him the photo with the wife with me in the room and he kills me every time. Starting to piss me off.
Pretty sure i'm gonna have to start over cause i'm confident even after looking at guides that I've done everything correctly and it's still not letting me progress. And not sure at this point if it's worth starting over.
just started this, so no real impressions.
but pretty crazy, that they just tried to map a point and click control mechanism, one to one to gamepad.
like you are moving the cursor with analog to do things. even old adventure games add some qol changes when ported to consoles.
thats an instant turn off i can say.
Okay so I've done a handful of loops now. I'm starting to figure out some possible avenues of how to handle the situation.
So I got Dafoe to tell me he's here for a pocket watch at least, but thats all I've learned about him. The most success I've had is slipping the sleeping pills in the wife's drink and having her head to sleep. I tried to call 911 and hide it out afterwards but I got caught.
I haven't been able to convince the wife I'm in a loop. The most obvious things to point to are the cop coming and the radio playing their song but she wasn't buying it. My biggest assumption is that I have to use the faulty lightswitch to knock the cop out? There's multiple endings judging by the achievements but it's a bit of a challenge to figure out what you have to do to trigger what.
It's neat so far though. Even if I don't feel like I'm close to figuring anything out yet.
Okay so I've done a handful of loops now. I'm starting to figure out some possible avenues of how to handle the situation.
So I got Dafoe to tell me he's here for a pocket watch at least, but thats all I've learned about him. The most success I've had is slipping the sleeping pills in the wife's drink and having her head to sleep. I tried to call 911 and hide it out afterwards but I got caught.
I haven't been able to convince the wife I'm in a loop. The most obvious things to point to are the cop coming and the radio playing their song but she wasn't buying it. My biggest assumption is that I have to use the faulty lightswitch to knock the cop out? There's multiple endings judging by the achievements but it's a bit of a challenge to figure out what you have to do to trigger what.
It's neat so far though. Even if I don't feel like I'm close to figuring anything out yet.
Honestly, i think this game is pretty cool mechanically, especially in the beginning when it feels like a condensed Hitman,
But HOLY SHIT the writing is so bad!! Every about it is so stock and basic. The twists are SO poorly handled. Really feels like they jad a cool idea for a game and just fit the story around the mechanics, actual good story and characters be damned
Okay so I've done a handful of loops now. I'm starting to figure out some possible avenues of how to handle the situation.
So I got Dafoe to tell me he's here for a pocket watch at least, but thats all I've learned about him. The most success I've had is slipping the sleeping pills in the wife's drink and having her head to sleep. I tried to call 911 and hide it out afterwards but I got caught.
I haven't been able to convince the wife I'm in a loop. The most obvious things to point to are the cop coming and the radio playing their song but she wasn't buying it. My biggest assumption is that I have to use the faulty lightswitch to knock the cop out? There's multiple endings judging by the achievements but it's a bit of a challenge to figure out what you have to do to trigger what.
It's neat so far though. Even if I don't feel like I'm close to figuring anything out yet.
i thought the same thing with the radio / cop etc. but the answer turns out to be a bit more picture, more obvious in hind sight and kinda misleading in terms of what the game is presenting to you at first
Ok so I've been on it for 6 hours and I really don't see where I can go now. Repeating the same actions at the beginning is really tedious - and the narrative starts to show some blatant flaws, like:
- Dafoe showing up after only 2 minutes when I get Daisy angry or panicked when he's supposed to show up after 4:30 (probably the biggest one yet)
- I can't calm down Daisy after proving her I'm in a time loop as I know what happened, despite she telling me that she will not open the door, she still opens it anyway even though Dafoe shows up "as expected"
- Dafoe doesn't give a flying fuck when he sees Daisy dead (from electrocution) and the watch left on the table in plain sight, but still searches for me anyway, then takes the watch, and strangles me
I still can't know how people finished it in like 2 to 3 hours.
The farther I've went was this:
- Prepare dessert, put sleeping pills in Daisy's drink (she gets the first shock from the switch and turns the lights off by herself)
- Let her sleep, hide in the closet until Dafoe arrives
- Dafoe sees Daisy sleeping, lights up the switch and gets electrocuted
- Took everything from him, shot him in the foot, told me lots of stuff including the fact that Daisy came back to shoot her father again
- Then he dies no matter what I do and time runs out, loop restarts.
- Can't figure out a way to prove that Daisy did or didn't shoot her father a second time, nothing in the apartment seems to fit. Tried the picture on the fridge, nothing.
The main problem is redoing the same beginning over and over again, I've tried multiple routes but it starts becoming baffling. What I thought were obvious or clever solutions were actually complete dead ends because "reasons". Like "I know he shows up at this time, if Daisy gets angry early she could get away with this", but nope. Dafoe shows earlier than expected which breaks the entire narrative. No way to tell her "USE THE DAMN STAIRS". I don't know if it's explained later but to be honest I'm tired of running into dead ends.
So I think I'm just going to play this through with the IGN full walkthrough next week lol. The amount of 'I'm stuck' posts in a row here is kind of astounding
No there is a way to get back in the loop, you just have to go get the watch out of the vent, and manipulate the watch to a specific time. The ending you can't get out of and hard ends the game is the Continue ending.
Took me 5h20min to finish it. I really liked it! I don't have too much trouble if I fail a loop and have to repeat since you can get back to the same state pretty quick.
I really enjoyed the mechanics but found certain plot revelations and character shifts so silly that I had trouble engaging with it.
I'm not someone who generally plays games as evil (you could offer me $5000 to do it and I'm still not shooting Mordin in the back), but there I came a point where I became an absolute monster.
Surely the best night was stabbing Daisy Ridley with the kitchen knife after she surprised me with good news, then shocking Willem Dafoe in the bedroom and blowing his brains out with his own gun. Finally, I walked back into the living room and finished dessert trying not to get Daisy's blood on my shoes.
I really enjoyed the mechanics but found certain plot revelations and character shifts so silly that I had trouble engaging with it.
I'm not someone who generally plays games as evil (you could offer me $5000 to do it and I'm still not shooting Mordin in the back), but there I came a point where I became an absolute monster.
Surely the best night was stabbing Daisy Ridley with the kitchen knife after she surprised me with good news, then shocking Willem Dafoe in the bedroom and blowing his brains out with his own gun. Finally, I walked back into the living room and finished dessert trying not to get Daisy's blood on my shoes.
I really enjoyed the mechanics but found certain plot revelations and character shifts so silly that I had trouble engaging with it.
I'm not someone who generally plays games as evil (you could offer me $5000 to do it and I'm still not shooting Mordin in the back), but there I came a point where I became an absolute monster.
Surely the best night was stabbing Daisy Ridley with the kitchen knife after she surprised me with good news, then shocking Willem Dafoe in the bedroom and blowing his brains out with his own gun. Finally, I walked back into the living room and finished dessert trying not to get Daisy's blood on my shoes.
Haha yes, this is sort of what I was touching on where you can have some truly dark runs that are not like "canon" in any way, but it's a weird playground in how you can move the pieces around to create these other genres of movie within the game. Like, you can tell your wife you're a monster then just go take a nap. Also some of the death animations get crazier once you've gone through them some amount of times, so your initial punch in the face at the hands of the cop later turns into a mini action movie sequence as you both throw fists and he has to resort to other means to take you down.
Three hours is fast with no help I think. I didn't get too stuck ever, but still 5-6 hours feels like the "short" end of things people will come in around if they mostly breeze through it. You must have just nailed all the puzzles and not been sidetracked looking for other non-ending endings and such, which is fine.
just started this, so no real impressions.
but pretty crazy, that they just tried to map a point and click control mechanism, one to one to gamepad.
like you are moving the cursor with analog to do things. even old adventure games add some qol changes when ported to consoles.
thats an instant turn off i can say.
I'm incredibly frustrated. I got really far one time, it seems by accident, but now I can't make that fucking same thing happen again? I'm pretty sure I was really close to the end but I cannot for the life of me make it repeat what I did that one time.
EDIT: WAIT... I think I figured out how to make it happen again... huh. How about that. Just needed to bitch online.
Light: It is absolutely there. And after grabbing it you can tell her you know about where it is in future loops. You are probably not looking in the right spot. Find a way to listen to her describe where it is again.
Explicit: She says it's in a vent under the medicine cabinet in the bathroom. It's at the bottom of the screen when looking at the cabinet and you just need to use something to open it and it's in there. After taking it (and possibly some later stuff) you can just say "Hey I know there's a watch down in there and such and such" in future runs.
i like the setting, the puzzle, the time loops and how you use the information you learn to unlock new stuff. that being said the story is pretty bad imo and this game iis all about the story.
