Hey guys, I can choose between the LG GX and LG C15, at the same price here, what would you suggest only for gaming?
The C1 is the better display, but only slightly. It has lower latency at 60Hz, improved motion interpolation, and less banding near-black (but more noise).
I'd only choose the GX if you wanted to wall-mount it.
That is true lol. On the 2021 LG OLED's, the new BFI implementation for 60hz/FPS is also plasma beating (for gaming) as there is virtually no dimming or flicker, it is very impressive, but you hear nothing about it, which is a shame.
120Hz BFI is really only suitable for 120 FPS sources.
If you enable it with a 60 FPS source there are double-images in motion.
EDIT: I mistook 120Hz support for the "new BFI implementation".
I also forgot to refresh the page before submitting this, and see that you've now posted a video comparing the C1 and CX.
That prompted me to take a look at RTINGS' data, and it shows that the C1 is back to 50% BFI at 60Hz like the C9 did, with 8ms persistence, rather than 75% BFI on the CX for 4ms persistence.
That means more motion blur on the C1 than the CX, but also more brightness - the CX was too dim, dropping below 100 nits with it enabled.
Motion was great on CRTs too but the world moves on.
So we're just stuck with bad motion handling forever, then?
True. The thing for me is, my plasma has motion clarity equal to the CRTs I used to have. The set was an upgrade in every way and I still marvel at how great broadcast TV, sports, movies and games look on it 11 years later. I know myself and I'm gonna be peeved with any "trade offs" I'll have to make, at least for a while.
My experience reading forums is the nitpicks and complaints are overblown, so I'm not too worried about it, though. I'm sure a C1 will be a hell of an upgrade over an 11 year old TV. At least I would hope.
I can't agree with that
at all.
I wish I still had the images, but I've done direct side-by-side comparisons between Pioneer Kuro plasmas and CRTs, and they did not fare well in the comparison.
I'd go as far as to say that motion is an order of magnitude clearer on CRT than Plasma - at least with the displays I compared.
LCD/OLED blurs everything. Plasma is clear for slower motion, but still blurs a lot with fast motion. CRTs are clear with fast motion.
They are objectively and indisputably much, much dimmer than top-end LEDs, despite the fantastic contrast due to perfect blacks (which isn't to say near-black performance is good). Whether you find it to be the case or not is kind of irrelevant when luminance is an objective measurement.
This newest HDTVTest video is actually great at showing this — it's easy to see how washed out and relatively less impactful even the brightest OLEDs on the market look compared to an OLED mastering screen that actually hits 1000 nits peak brightness. It's very perceptible in the comparisons he does around the 12:30-13:00 mark. Keep in mind both the A90J and G1 are already about 100-150 nits brighter than a CX.
There are many different factors that make the comparison difficult.
Cameras don't capture color the way our eye sees it, but there is metameric failure with LG's white OLED design whether using a camera or seeing these displays in person.
When both measure D65, they will look different. That's why many are calibrating OLEDs to offset white-points now, rather than exactly D65 - so that they match reference displays to the eye, no matter what a meter says.
But this image does illustrate what I've been complaining about for some time now:
The "white" subpixel on OLEDs is not D65 white - it's a cyan-tinted white.
So in bright scenes, where the white subpixel is used more, it shifts the color balance of the entire image and you're left with this somewhat desaturated and cold looking picture.
Warm sand on the LCDs, "white" sand on the OLED:
Dusty orange buildings on the LCDs, white buildings and a clear blue sky on the OLED:
Gray sidewalk on the LCD, cyan-tinted sidewalk on the OLEDs:
Don't get me wrong - many of these images also show a huge difference in contrast.
But one of the reasons I'm hoping that something comes along to compete with OLED soon is for a return to RGB subpixels.
