No one knows, inc Rtings 'if' the B9 can do 4K 120hz with HDR, might be important to some, just like the C8 can do 1080p 120hz with HDR, but the B8 cannot, and due to the chipset the B9 uses I'm guessing it won't.
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No one knows, inc Rtings 'if' the B9 can do 4K 120hz with HDR, might be important to some, just like the C8 can do 1080p 120hz with HDR, but the B8 cannot, and due to the chipset the B9 uses I'm guessing it won't.
This year we have both UEFA Euro 20 & Olympics. I remain optimistic that we'll get news and launches before then because manufacturers will want to pitch their TVs for them.
Oh yeah, the C9 was available in the UK from about April/May time. I'm sure it'll be similar, just no set timeframe.
Because they are doing no in-depth reviews. I wouldn't recommend the B9 over the C9. It's not really a huge price difference and the C9 got some pretty big advantages:
1. Better Near-black-handling, less flashing: https://youtu.be/MzmKsPwoe_w?t=82
2. Higher peak brightness, less punchy HDR, i think this would be visible especially while HDR gaming: https://youtu.be/MzmKsPwoe_w?t=220
3. Motion-artifacts with De-Judder 4 on the B9 at this particulary scene where the C9 doesn't show them at all, even at De-Judder 5, tested it myself: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-o...-s-thread-no-price-talk-382.html#post59077490
As far as I know, the difference with Apple TV is that the black bars are also part of the video stream, so they are also affected by tone mapping changes in DV content.
The video itself should be displaying correctly, but you'll notice the bars changing black level along with the rest of the content
But do note I'm repeating what I read elsewhere and don't have the means to test this myself so hopefully someone else can provide a definitive answer.
Don't worry, the ATV4K works great with the C9, except for Netflix, ATV still doesn't support 24fps, results in slight stuttering. But you can just use the C9 Netflix app, runs perfect.
Elevated blacks or not pure black bars are content-related, i think the Apple TV+ Series "Servant" has no pure black bars, but that's normal.
For example, here on this show on Netflix no issues:
I think for gaming is the reason. For movie quality probably not a massive upgrade.
Just be aware that European TCL models aren't the same as the ones people from the US talk about here. Even when they have similar model numbers. Do your research before you buy
Yeah, I just read that the C715 and 815 doesn't even have local dimming... I guess that the ultimate kick ass 4K LCD TV dream is dead... my only options is LG OLED :'(
Wait, what? My Apple TV outputs 24hz just fine, according to my Panasonic. Just make sure you go to settings and tick the option for "match hz to content" (or something similar).
Will be very, very surprised to see anyone top LG in OLEDs, for obvious economic reasons. And that includes value.
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Imagine this in your theater room...
Right. Even if they sold their TVs for the exact same amount of money Vizio would be taking a hit on their margins.
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Is there a thread or forum link for tips on making your OLED PC work/browsing friendly? I would just like to minimize burn-in by auto hiding as much as possible. For instance, how can I get rid of the top banner on Resetera?
Is that why The Witcher stutters every couple of seconds? I have "match framerate" on but that doesn't fix it. I thought it was a bug in the current version of the netflix app.
What TV do you have? Do you have a 24hz setting turned on for it too?
Yep and they'd have to really drive some value, bc it's clear, so far at least, no one can outrun them in performance. That's actually been the most surprising part to me.
When Sony announced the A8, I figured for sure it would be more money than the LG, but Sony would leverage better processing tech they've always had and throw some other special sauce in there that would open up a market for "ultra premium" OLEDs or whatever. But so far, setting aside the sound stuff, Sony's are literally just more money for the same, or depending on use case, less performance.
Would be cool if Vizio shook that up but it's really hard to see how it would be economically feasible.
I actually didn't pay quite as much attention to CES this year, but I did see some Chinese factories coming online for OLED panels? Not sure if that's true, but if so, that could be the thing that reshuffles the deck a bit.
Just trying to make myself and Dave_6 feel better ;_;
I know for sure gaming, and especially HDR gaming, is a large upgrade. The dim HDR Game crap is part of the reason I play my consoles on my PC monitor, the PG27UQ. HDR1000 display and it shows. Would love to get back to OLED level gaming with nice HDR, low input lag, and all of the other QOL features that have been introduced the past few years. Just hard for me to make the jump when, in general, everything looks excellent, and I have my rig where I can enjoy 4k/144hz/HDR/Gsync.
First world problems.
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I think 23.976hz is the standard. But Netflix outputs a true 24hz signal for many series/movies, for example "The Irishman".
Btw: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-n...2-apple-tv-4k-lacks-support-24-000-video.html
If you are sensitive to stutter, you will see it.
LG C7 and yes, Real Cinema option is on.
Are there even any streaming devices like the Nvidia Shield etc. that support true 24hz?
I use TruMotion at 4, i can't stand the judder, maye thats why you don't notice it with real cinema.
I had the NV Shield 2019 Pro and the stutter was insane while connected to my C9, esp. Twitch, Amazon Prime and even Netflix. I tried every setting on the Shield.
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Yeah I agree. I'm still waiting for big things from Sony as I feel like they've been more impressive in the mid-high range (x950) than the high end (A9F, etc).
I'd also like to know what's next for them as Samsung and LG have made their priorities pretty clear but Sony really hasn't
Opinions on the Samsung 75Q70R as a mid range TV in EU (many models discussed in here are not available in EU)?
Prices seem to have lowered, it reviewed good on rtings, there are minor issues apparantly such as ghosting when VRR is on. But thats not really a dealbraker since I think it can be turned off, and most other TVs in this price range dont have this feature.
I dont think waiting for the new TVs will give a much better value, as most often the prices of the new models in the first few months are often overpriced. And OLED due to our TV habits is a big no, because increased chances of burn in.
Prices seem to have lowered, it reviewed good on rtings, there are minor issues apparantly such as ghosting when VRR is on. But thats not really a dealbraker since I think it can be turned off, and most other TVs in this price range dont have this feature.
I dont think waiting for the new TVs will give a much better value, as most often the prices of the new models in the first few months are often overpriced. And OLED due to our TV habits is a big no, because increased chances of burn in.
No I definitely notice it, like I said earlier The Witcher skips a frame every few seconds on my Apple TV regardless of settings but not on the app of my TV. From a quick google search it seems like only blu-ray players support it?
They already did this in 2019 with the comically overpriced and horribly downgraded (over the 2018) Q60, which is functionally a marketing rebadge of their budget 7000/6000 lines from prior years. Anecdotally based on all the people asking for buying advice on it, they likely sold like hotcakes, so it's not surprising to see the strategy expanded to the whole lineup.
That's neat, although why would you want to paint a commercial car with that? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. Can you imagine clothing with that though?
Vizio is known for being the best economic choice, not necessarily for being the best TV, so I'm interested to see how the pricing effects all models
I feel like LG will use the BX to be somewhat competitive with Vizio on pricing. I doubt they will just completely relinquish the bottom end if they're significantly cheaper.
Personally hoping it brings down the other models a bit, too, but I'm more skeptical on that. I guess we'll see.
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I completely agree on the car thing. On a poorly lit road at night that thing is going to be an accident magnet 🤷🏻♂️
Aside from price, doesn't Sony have better image processing for lower quality sources? Or is LG pretty close now. My 900F does really well with sub 4K content. Does that carry over to their OLEDs?
How much worse is the 55" Q90R? I've read only this on Rtings:
Note: There is a 55" variant of the Q90R available only in Europe that is advertised as having a weaker local dimming feature, but we have not tested it and can't give further details.
Anything more specific? Thanks.
Note: There is a 55" variant of the Q90R available only in Europe that is advertised as having a weaker local dimming feature, but we have not tested it and can't give further details.
Anything more specific? Thanks.
I have no opinion other than to say from the little I've read Eu model numbers aren't the same as USA so the rtings review may not be accurate to the70r in Eu.
There is a free tool for Windows called OnTopReplica that is very powerful for stuff like this.
It lets you crop the contents of application windows or change the opacity of certain regions of the window. I use it sometimes to watch Twitch channels that have static frame graphics on my TV.
For web browsers specifically, there are some other alternatives that may be easier. You can use ad blockers to block individual images in headers or sidebars of sites. There are also extensions that you can use to toggle grayscale for sites.
It has fewer dimming zones than the bigger ones, around 300 if I recall in total. Slightly less than the 55 Q90FN
Use the dark theme for Windows
Dark themes on websites , keep the OLED light as low as you can handle.
So would you suggest to pick up the Q90FN instead of Q90R for someone interestead in a 55"?
I've read that Q90FN has a much higher contrast too.
Thank you!
the Q90r has the wide angle viewing filter which works super well.
The contrast for the Q9FN will drop as soon as you are even a few degrees off axis, so review measurements won't tell you everything. They are both great sets and I would have might bought the Q90R instead of the Q9FN had there had not been a £1000 price difference
Well in my case, I gave in and updated my B6 a few weeks ago and the black levels aren't what they used to be. I didn't think it was that bad at first but yeah, huge mistake. :/ I tried to revert it but couldn't ever get it to work.
Has there been confirmation that BOTH the new Sony 900H and 950H will have full HDMI 2.1 support?
After the trainwreck Samsung is doing for 2020, it looks like it's going to be between Vizio, LG and possibly Sony for my new TV purchase for next gen.
After the trainwreck Samsung is doing for 2020, it looks like it's going to be between Vizio, LG and possibly Sony for my new TV purchase for next gen.
The only HDMI 2.1 sets that are out are the LG 2019 sets. For 2020 it will mostly also be LG as Sony has fumbled and Samsung only has it on some of the 8K sets. Not sure about some of the other brands. But right now looking at the specs of the 2020 LG OLED's there is not that much of a big difference to justify the launch prices of 2020 LG OLED's.
As of today, you can get a 65" C9 at Best Buy for $2099.99. There is also a coupon that starts tomorrow and is good till 2/20/2020 for a $100.00 Gift Card if you buy a LG OLED with a Sound Bar or just the TV itself you get a $50.00 Gift Card. It is a great price alone at $2099.99. I bought mine 2 weeks ago or so and got a price match last week to get the $2099.99 price and tomorrow I will head down to get my $50.00 Gift Card.
