Yeah, I'm waiting to see if TCL's will. How is Vizio's UI? It's kinda hard to go back from integrated Roku. Just works so smoothly.
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Never used it before. Hopefully someone else can chime in and help you.
What size to get for someone sitting about 5 feet from the screen and loves immersion. 55 or 65 inch and why?
55
Great at that distance or even another foot or 2 further back
cheaper
So looks like this deal is real: https://slickdeals.net/f/13764044-tcl-6-series-65-best-buy-499-99-ymmv
Vizio has a clunky and dumpy UI for smart functions. It does have both Chromecast and AirPlay, and is mobile-friendly in general.
But I wouldn't like using a Vizio if I weren't using an Apple TV or Shield TV.
TCL said the current 6 series is getting firmware update this year for hdmi 2.1 and VRR in their keynote.
Yeah I can't mess with that. Smoothest I've seen or used is these TCls and LG oleds. I have an older LG that seems to be the early version of what new TVs have and it controls like ass. Clunky, slow as hell, and the pointer was so imprecise. Seems light years ahead of that now, thankfully.
Interesting.
They said select sizes were getting the update, but didn't specify the sizes. I'd expect the 65 inch to qualify, but I'm not sure we know for absolute certain yet.
Yeah I'd bet anything the 55 and 65 6series get updated they are the best sellers.
I'm in a holding pattern myself want all the newer features before I buy a new tv to replace my 2017 TCL P605 I have to have VRR I have it on pc and any game I play on tv now I can see the frame rate changes it freaks my eyes out.
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Expect to see the 77" dip down to $3,499 USD when the new models launch and it's discontinued.
I'm holding for the 77 B9.
With 4K you can easily use a 65" at 5', pixel structure isn't visible to 20/20 visions at that distance. It's just a matter of which size you find most comfortable and practical.
From CES. https://youtu.be/LZJmqOTEw9Y?t=172
TCL 2020 5 series will be like the older 6 series. That is, it has QLED and FALD, zone count unknown. If the price is same as last years, we are looking at a very very affordable TV that can do pretty decent HDR finally. Like $300-$400 affordable. That's great, real HDR for the masses.
The 6 series will have miniLED, again he doesnt mention zone count but if its miniLED it should be in hundreds at least and much more precise than previous years. It does have VRR and he hints at 120Hz.
TCL 2020 5 series will be like the older 6 series. That is, it has QLED and FALD, zone count unknown. If the price is same as last years, we are looking at a very very affordable TV that can do pretty decent HDR finally. Like $300-$400 affordable. That's great, real HDR for the masses.
The 6 series will have miniLED, again he doesnt mention zone count but if its miniLED it should be in hundreds at least and much more precise than previous years. It does have VRR and he hints at 120Hz.
so should i wait for this years TCL 6 series or get the 2019 models when on sale
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Legit been impressed with some of LTT's output during CES. James and Riley doing some work. This is about how Samsung is using poor contrast modularisation in their 2019 8k TVs, which is a total reverse from when Samsung was taking shots at LG's contrast modulation. And have now fixed it for 2020
This is not correct. They didn't say the firmware update is going to update it to HDMI 2.1. They said the update would enable eARC and VRR in select sets. You can't firmware update them to have HDMI 2.1.
apparently they said the same thing about VRr and the 2018 sets last year. I don't think it happened
Eh the contrast ratio is still quite good. I think it's hard to notice a difference. I also disagree on blooming. There are still 'torture test' scenes that will reveal blooming, but it's more about whether you artificially brighten the image to avoid blooming, or conversely crush shadow detail. The improvement in FALD over the past ~5 years speaks for itself imo.
In terms of cost, I'd point out all the Chinese manufacturers that are moving into the LED market with "mini LED" models. The difference with OLED, is that they own the manufacturing process. You actually save costs that way, vs buying panels from LG Display, which essentially owns a monopoly on OLED right now.
I do agree that Quantum Dot OLED might be the holy grail (It depends on how bright they can get it). But by the time that tech gets put into place, micro LED might be ready for the market. Or mini LED backlights might be so refined that the difference is imperceptible. I believe HDR blu ray is still mastered for 4,000 nits, and Sony demo'd a Crystal LED (ie micro LED) tv that went up to 10,000.
It's kind of hard to predict which technology will take hold as the standard bearer for high end image fidelity once LG OLEDs reach their end point.
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I hope we still get relatively small 5 series screens (43", particularly) as I'll probably get one for my office. Sorry if it's mentioned in the video, I can't watch right now.
I've gone from a 65" 900f (great motion and local dimming, just not enough dimming zones so blooming is too much for me) to a 65" 2019 PQX currently that I'm in the middle of returning (love the HDR peak brightness and more zones but the local dimming speed is a fraction too slow and the color banding sticks out once you see it).
I have the option for a 65" C9 for $1899 final price (includes tax) which is a good deal here in California.That's equal to like around $1700 here before tax.
I just have a few reservations cause burn in, and FOMO in the event next years CX is way better lol (I wouldn't be able to afford the MSRP when it launches anyway tho). C9 already has HDMI 2.1 so I think I'll be happy.
I have the option for a 65" C9 for $1899 final price (includes tax) which is a good deal here in California.That's equal to like around $1700 here before tax.
I just have a few reservations cause burn in, and FOMO in the event next years CX is way better lol (I wouldn't be able to afford the MSRP when it launches anyway tho). C9 already has HDMI 2.1 so I think I'll be happy.
Price. Price determines which tech wins with consumers. OLED will continue to get cheaper, meanwhile LED sets will continue to go up in cost for some time by adding more LED's, making the sets more complex (mini LED). Over time they will get cheaper, but by then who knows where OLED prices will be. I don't see micro LED really being a consumer grade tech anytime soon. I think we are approaching a point now where tv PQ improvements will stagnate again, like near the end of plasmas run. LCD and plasma had a solid period of minimal PQ gains, and LCD was the tech that most consumers adopted, and it wasn't due to PQ. On the flip side I feel we are approaching that point where OLED could take LCD's spot as the more popular consumer tv tech (new sales) with it dropping in price. I think that 48" LG panel will make that all the more clear, LG has determined it's time for OLED to go down market even further, which is LCD's bread and butter atm.
I had similar issues with all LCD's, coming from plasmas. If you're worried about burn in, but can't live with LCD short comings, buy the OLED from Best Buy and get the extended warranty. If anything for the peace of mind.
You're not missing much if anything at all. Get the C9 at the best price you feel comfortable with. It's year ahead of its time, and nothing shown at CES convinced me the CX has any advantage.
I was thinking about making myself a little gaming area in a section of a room. Would a person be better off with a 32-43" TV vs a 27" gaming monitor? Only gaming w/ ps4pro and eventually PS5. I was reading that HDR is very expensive to get in a monitor and not done well. My wife is getting sick of me always using the main 60" tv w/ my gaming :D
Yup, that's worth it. If it was any other use case I wouldn't bother
for games it should be noticeable brighter and more accurate thanks to the HGIG mode, then you'll have access to HDMi 2.1 and 40-120hz VRR/GSYNC too
Well I was thinking also about the updated Game Mode on the 7 series which got way more dim unless you use Active HDR (so if you don't like DTM you're SOL) unlike 8 and 9 series which are way brigther even without DTM.
Meanwhile the rest of HDR modes of the 7 series have better brightness and the OLED panels themselves haven't evolved much these latter years, so for TV and movies the difference should not be that big.
Meanwhile the rest of HDR modes of the 7 series have better brightness and the OLED panels themselves haven't evolved much these latter years, so for TV and movies the difference should not be that big.
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They're going to be unrelated regardless. They're just not that joined up.
I'm not sure why they haven't/couldn't update the 7 series so they targeted Maxcll and not Maxfall, like the 8 and 9's, not like the 7's couldn't hit around the same nit range.
Do we know if the the 4K Samsung TVs are going to have any improvements compared to the Q90R?
Gotta sell the new TVs. LG is weird like that, I mean the panels themselves don't change much, other than the red-sub pixel increase and a little more nits the technology seems stagnant, and even their chips aren't seeing huge increments with newer versions, so they probably (IMO, of course) hold on stuff like the new tone map curve in Game Mode for C8, HGIG for C9, Filmmaker mode for CX ... stuff that could be patched but they won't just to make the new TVs more desirable because they have exclusive features.
Yeah, I mean obviously it comes down to selling TVs, but on the other hand they shouldn't spout all this fluff about "being the superior way to tone map" when it's so obvious that's total bullshit! Even the 6 does a much better job :0
They can keep filmmaker mode though, might be good for people that have no idea, but for most of us, every type of content is accurately catered for with just a preset switch.
Seems like LG doesn't support their older products very well. I'm waiting for WebOS on my B7 to start running poorly and apps not being supported any longer lol.
WebOS is real lightweight, I doubt they'll add anything it make it run bad. It basically only supports HTML5 apps, which is why it's so limiting.