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Do we know if any of these TVs support low framerate compensation? From what I understand any display where the VRR max framerate is at least double the VRR min framerate could theoretically support it.
Yeah, I don't understand. Looks like the 900H is also the only one with ATSC 3.0 support, too.
Is VRR *really* worth it? I've never experienced it in person but is it worth buying a TV for?
Well, I know TCL is doing that with the 8 series for sure. I'm really wanting to know if the 6 series will as well. Do we have any word one way or the other about Hisense? I just don't know about Vizio at all. I'll be curious to see reviews on their stuff down the line.
If you don't mind me asking, what is BFI? Why is it important? Is it sort of like motion interpolation (which I have never and will never use)?
Oled is fantastic in dark rooms and won't need to be set as bright.
I would absolutely not buy an oled without a warranty. Best Buy is (from what I've been told) a good place to buy oled because the warranty is good.
Samsung models may be upgraded from last year and might be worth looking at if you are scared of burn in.
TCL has a mini-LED that is something to keep an eye on. Might be better choice than Samsung. Not sure.
give it a little time
It's not easy
Samsung apparently doesn't have HDMI 2.1 this year tho (they also still aren't budging on Dolby Vision either). TCL doesn't seem to have it either, or at least they haven't said as much. 2.1 options are kinda limited this year except for the LG OLEDs. Guess there is Vizio, but no idea what they're like. But just something to keep in mind since he says he wants a new TV for the new Consoles.
It helps with motion blur. The instant response time of OLED makes it more susceptible to motion blur. BFI of you read it up on it helps to reduce this.
BFI on OLED literally inserts black frames which creates a much dimmer picture.
I can't stand the effect, and the compromise of losing brightness is not worth battling the sample and hold blur.
Need some opinions. For strictly gaming lets say 95% of the time and 5% UHD Movie watching, based on the specs of the 2020 models, would getting a 77C9 be worth it? I read the differences and some like a better main CPU..about 15% better and some other things, but if you are mainly gaming on it is it worth getting the newer 2020 or the 2019? Main reason I ask is I was in Costco this morning and they have the 77 C9 at $5400.00 which is a really good price.
Appreciate the feedback, I'll take a look at TCL. My place only gets sunlight during the morning and early afternoon so that's not too bad brightness wise.
Given I'm going from such a low standard for playing games on, I just don't want to invest in something that'll potentially give me problems. Definitely can wait and see how things pan out.
The BFI on the CX sounds like it is different since they have stated that it doesn't dim the display as much as a typical BFI.
Wouldn't recommend TCL if you want a set without problems. Horrendous quality control from them in my experience (went through three sets from them last year with horrendous defects and bad DSE, which is awful for games). Also, I have heard a lot of mixed things about their mini-led solution. Sounds iffy.
Then that really sounds like I go back to where I was before, C9 or CX with potential for whatever else might be enticing that has 2.1.
I think TCL can be great value for the money, but they are not very good with QA. If you have the money, I think a high quality set with 2.1 is worth it. I mean, the way I look at it, it's worth it. A TV is the center of your entertainment experience, and for me, it's how I experience my favorite hobbies (Movies and games), plus hopefully it's something that you will have for years. I really believe you get what you pay for with TV's, and it's worth it to get the best you can. But that's just my perspective anyways.
You know how LCDs have a sort of blur between frames when something is moving across the screen? BFI mitigates the blur at the expense of an overall drop in brightness and possible flickering (I've never experienced flickering though with my exposure to BFI with my TV or monitor).
Something like the image below, which is taken from a horizontal scrolling graphic (ULMB or Ultra Low Motion Blur (by Nvidia) would be pretty much what BFI achieves)
Right, so it's like motion interpolation then? That means it's probably bad for games due to high input lag then, right?You know how LCDs have a sort of blur between frames when something is moving across the screen? BFI mitigates the blur at the expense of an overall drop in brightness and possible flickering (I've never experienced flickering though with my exposure to BFI with my TV or monitor).
Something like the image below, which is taken from a horizontal scrolling graphic (ULMB or Ultra Low Motion Blur (by Nvidia) would be pretty much what BFI achieves)
I wonder if they will keep this video up when they start pushing their own OLED TVs in a year or two.
Also strange since they have been pushing OLED phones for so long... what if someone watching on a Galaxy notices burn in lol.
Motion interpolation doesn't get rid of blur though. Someone more knowledgeable can probably comment, but I understand that it adds fake/simulated frames in between to give the illusion of more frames being delivered (so higher perceived framerate) but with negatives like artifacting, uneven frame delivery and significantly higher input lag. BFI shouldn't add to input lag like motion interpolation and has no such artifacts.
Samsung sets nowadays though seem to offer motion interpolation with really low input lag close to having no motion interpolation in game mode.
If you game on pc it's absolutely worth it. On console we won't really know until the new consoles are out.
Hmm, well that is very interesting then. I will look into these things more. Thanks for the info dude!
lol, torch mode? Both LG's normal settings and RT's calibration settings recommend the OLED light to be 100 for HDR. My set was also professional calibrated.
And for the record, Stardew Valley isn't HDR. It was played a few hours a week in SDR and still caused burn out.
Yeah, I think I'm settled on paying around the amount that C9's were going for around Black Friday, 1300-1500.
Thing is I've been PC primarily for the last decade+. It's only with the nature of this new job and living situation that I can finally invest in having a nice set up for watching TV/movies and playing console games.
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The very concept of BFI means less brightness. You are displaying half the frames as black. You can't combat this.
Missed the part you were playing in HDR mode, but yes, by default that's set to 100. Oled light is treated differently in HDR/DV modes. Sounds like Rocket League in HDR mode actually increases brightness of the hud for the "HDR" effect.
What was OLED light set to at the SDR settings?
My walls had insulation. The snake tool is a flat stiff metal cable with a hook at the end to attached the cables to.
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I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure my SDR settings for Gaming had the OLED light at 75.
I wish there was a way to toggle transparency on HUDs in games. I'd even play Rocket League without a HUD if need be. Would be a handicap, but the game looks great in HDR, and I feel that a lot of big next gen games will offer an HDR mode.
For real, in general games need more hud options, transparency being one of them for sure.
My SDR modes are set to oled light 35, 130 nits, which is still higher than the SMPTE standard 100 nits for SDR content. OLED light 66 is 200 nits.
I agree, developers need to realize people play on oled TV's and offer fully customizable huds with dimming and transparency options.
This.
I play lots of GTSport, and the amount of static images is the only thing keeping me from buying OLED..
I mean look at this shit
The bare minimum would be a transparency option or hide HUD when out of combat but most games don't even do that.
Any word on if the 2020 TCL 5 series has HDMI 2.1? Because so far it seems like it's basically the 2019 6 series.
I haven't heard anything. They never mentioned it outside of the 8-Series (which is a given since it is 8K). So I believe both the 5-Series and 6-Series will be HDMI 2.0b. They have mentioned that some 2020 models (and 2019 models) will be getting VRR. They never mentioned which ones, but would be nice if they added VRR to the 2020 5-Series models as there is technically nothing stopping them from doing so. That would make it an outstanding budget display for PC and Console gaming as it has a Quantum Dot panel with Full Array Local Dimming. TCL hasn't commented on peak brightness for it yet but would be nice if they increased it to 600 - 700 nits peak brightness.
I thought they said the 2019 6 series was getting VRR. Also isn't HDMI 2.1 required for VRR?
No. A number of HDMI 2.0 TVs have HDMI 2.1 features like VRR. My Samsung Q90R has VRR and ALLM on 2.0.
Yeah, the 2019 6-Series will be getting VRR, I was mostly referring to the 2020 models. HDMI 2.0b has some features of HDMI 2.1 like VRR and Auto Low Latency Mode.
Edit: Wow, Vincent Teoh just published a video detailing this years 8-Series. It has 5184 dimming zones.
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This shit there caused big retention on my Plasma and huge stress on me.This.
I play lots of GTSport, and the amount of static images is the only thing keeping me from buying OLED..
I mean look at this shit
It took months to go away (gladly) and my brother stopped playing the game since then.
This is one of the reasons I don't want to pick an OLED even if there isn't much choice out there, we want to play whatever we want whatever the amount of time we want to without caring anymore about this stuff :/
[I don't know what will happen with FF7 hud for example...]
There's a gulf in the amount of need to worry about IR with OLED compared to Plasma. Neither is perfect, it isn't as nearly as bad in my experience moving from a ZT60 to a B7. I'd imagine the current and coming sets handle it better, too. From what I read, IR in the Panasonic GZ2000 from last year was practically a non-issue. I think Panasonic's high-end models are the ones to keep an eye out for come next year, since much like Sony, their OLED set(s) set for this year aren't to HDMI 2.1 spec.
Yamaha has shown off some HDMI 2.1 compatible AVRs
So it's happening.
So it's happening.
Has anyone got any experience using eARC with the LG C9? I've ordered a Sony HT-ZF9, but looking arround, a bunch of people have audio sync issues over regular ARC. Anyone know if this was rectified with eARC or just with firmware in general?
EDIT: Cancelled it. Just going to save up for a better reciever and wait for HDMI 2.1 ones in case this sync thing rears its ugly head again and I have to go straight through the reciever.
EDIT: Cancelled it. Just going to save up for a better reciever and wait for HDMI 2.1 ones in case this sync thing rears its ugly head again and I have to go straight through the reciever.
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I'm very curious to see how this 8 series is reviewed when it is eventually released later this year.
I'm very curious to see how this 8 series is reviewed when it is eventually released later this year.
Yeah, that's the benefit of miniLED, while micro will make one dimming zone per pixel. LTT showed off a miniLED HDR laptop and I want it
