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PQs have been known to see some killer sale prices. It's possible Vizio won't be as generous with pricing on their PQX sets if the gap is that wide.
Very different from the inside of a darkened room and the light coming from a single source but yeah.An example of real world values
Hmm what bombshell are you referring to / what's the info?
Juts then bombshell that another member pointed out that the current manufacturing technique is to play each and every pixel manually onto a substrate.
That's why the current displays are low resolution , huge and like half a million bucks
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It seems like with today's robotics it shouldn't be that hard to create a process by which the laying of pixels is automated, but what do i know
Well that's a whole lot of nothing. 8K is useful only if you need a 80+ inch screen, there is practically no content for it, gaming is not very feasible at that resolution either.
TVs this year seem to be all about 8K, with none of the manufacturers making much actual progress in terms of features or image quality.
Sheesh, that looks sexy. But I imagine it's gonna be expensive, like 3000-3500€ or something like that.
I just cannot be made to care about an LCD in 2020. Cannot. Doesn't matter the nits doesn't matter the FALD zones. It's an lcd. Tbh it's incredibly impressive that iteration has happened for as long, and for as much improvement as it has.
Vizio is also adding HDMI 2.1 to its sound bars as well. This bodes well for AV Receiver makers like Onkyo and Yamaha adding HDMI 2.1 to its receivers.
There are almost 25million microLEDs to be placed for a 4K display. Even modern robots cant't move that fast
Hmm that seems crazy if that's the process and it can't be simplified somehow.
Yep. Looks like they're all trumpeting the "upscaling" capabilities of these 8K sets.
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That is the process. Simplifying it would be the key to making it an actual viable consumer technology. It has not been figured out yet, which is why it's not yet a viable consumer technology. It's been this way for a couple years now, they need a major break through in manufacturing technology in order for this to happen.
No, it won't help with an engine struggling to stream assets in time.
Oh you're right I completely forgot about framerate mode. In that case, yea it should.
I had a TCL 6 Series, hated it for gaming, lol. Now, I came from a Plasma (the kings of motion handling), so my impression of the TCL might be skewed a bit because of that, but... Motion seemed really poor in comparison. Things were noticeably blurred in motion with trails behind moving objects. Also, sometimes when playing a game at native 4K, there are these weird color artifacts that show up in motion too, can look odd and be distracting.
The real problem wasn't the motion for me tho, it was DSE (Dirty Screen Effect). I tried 3 different panels, and all had horrific DSE (poor Gray Uniformity likely caused by poor QA). Basically looks like jailbars running through the screen anytime you can the camera around in games, looked disgusting honestly. Beyond all of that, the first two sets had some major defects as well (dead pixels on the first, busted backlight on the second). The third was fine, but... But between the bad DSE and horrid Motion handling, I just wasn't satisfied with the picture for gaming, and after the first two sets, I had real concerns with the reliability of the set too.
So I'm kinda done with TCL now, learned my lesson. With TV's, you really do get what you pay for, big time, especially for gaming. I'm not sure you can honestly do better at the $5-600 price point, tho. My suggestion is to stay away from these budget brands with their cut corners, QA and reliability issues, and lackluster gaming performance. Save up for a new set from Sony Samsung, or LG with a full suite of HDMI 2.1 features. You'll be much happier, and hopefully have a TV that will be more futureproof and last you much longer.
Was considering picking up a C9 around April as I figured it would see some reasonable sales. I want to be prepared for next gen (currently have a 2016 Vizio P). Is there any major reason I should wait or get a 2020 model?
C8s saw some incredible sales when the C9 launched, and now the market is completely dry of C8s.
I would definitely wait at least a week to see what LG has up their sleeve and to see what their plans are.
I love the design of Samsung TVs, but not having Dolby Vision at these prices is a huge turn off.
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The Vizio PQX is the only LED I'd consider if I went away from OLED. Super bright, supports every HDR format, and now supports VRR and HDMI 2.1.
Seems like that bezelless 8k tv has some issues with warping
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CES schedule for today
any specifics on resolution? Wonder if they're like the Sony Crystal LED where the 'small' 75" is only 1080p due to the size of the LEDs, and only the super big 200"+ model is full 4k
Seems like that bezelless 8k tv has some issues with warping
That doesn't really seem like a problem. You're never going to see that when it is on.
I would assume the 75" is at 4K as that's what they debuted last year.
The 150" screen they showed off today was in 8K.
get any set big enough and thing enough and you are going to not have a perfectly flat optical surface.
They're not willing to pay the money for it, despite all the money they make shoving adverts on their TV smart features.
I believe any set capable of doing HDR10+ could receive a firmware update in theory, but don't know if Dolby allow that if it's not a feature on the box or something. Sure they could work something out.
The DV supporting sets that don't have HDR10+ could also work the other way.
Interesting.
Makes no sense at this point for someone like Samsung not to offer DV.
My Q90R doesn't have DV, so I'm unaware of the benefits. HDR still looks mind blowing on my TV.
What I've read (I believe that Dolby has even said this) is that brighter TVs benefit less from Dolby Vision than less bright TVs.
"Dolby Vision pulled ahead of HDR10 4K Blu-ray when the display featured suboptimal peak brightness/ colour volume/ tone-mapping, but the gap was closed to negligible levels by a high-end HDR TV with 1000+ nit peak luminance and accurate tone-mapping. "
Has anyone here with a high NIT (>1000) TV tested DV vs HDR10?
Also, i see a benefit of DV is that the HDR10 metadata is static per title and DV is dynamic. But that goes out the window with games. Could a video game with HDR10 essentially present dynamic metadata by sending new metadata when it needs to?
What I've read (I believe that Dolby has even said this) is that brighter TVs benefit less from Dolby Vision than less bright TVs.
"Dolby Vision pulled ahead of HDR10 4K Blu-ray when the display featured suboptimal peak brightness/ colour volume/ tone-mapping, but the gap was closed to negligible levels by a high-end HDR TV with 1000+ nit peak luminance and accurate tone-mapping. "
Has anyone here with a high NIT (>1000) TV tested DV vs HDR10?
Also, i see a benefit of DV is that the HDR10 metadata is static per title and DV is dynamic. But that goes out the window with games. Could a video game with HDR10 essentially present dynamic metadata by sending new metadata when it needs to?