...you realise you're asking for summary executions, right?
the right thing to do would've been to take back our citizens and have them face trial here, but that's, politically-speaking, impossible.
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Turkish strikes on Kurdish areas in Syria have already begun.
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...you realise you're asking for summary executions, right?
the right thing to do would've been to take back our citizens and have them face trial here, but that's, politically-speaking, impossible.
Rule of law and the Geneva convention. Also a question of who is even responsible for them. They are citizen of all sorts of countries, including many Europeans among them etc.
But would anyone be surprised if mass murders happened when they can sense they will lose control and they might escape?
"Who really cares? They have been fighting for long time, just let me. Kurds are bad too"
Edit: Also Trump ordered larger scale withdrawal as Turkey signaled want to attack deeper into Syria.
Edit: Also Trump ordered larger scale withdrawal as Turkey signaled want to attack deeper into Syria.
No no, we just do not understand the 24934589349D chess that Trump is playing in all his amazing, unmatched wisdom.
The report of them bracketing the base was alluding to it being the proxies firing on us targets. As when the us called turkey, the shelling and firing stopped.
im sure these proxies for hire have no liking of the us troops. It's being done on purpose to drive us out and it's working.
worlds most advanced military means nothing when an idiot is the commander.
This is an embarrassing disaster and I hope no troops are killed over it. If so Trump needs to be tried for treason. By courts or by the people.
They'll go 30+ kilometers deep into Syria alongside the entire border. After that, who knows what they'll do.
He just spoke with Trump who caved like he always does when he has to deal with authoritarians.
It's going to be endless humiliation of the US by random dictators from now on. Unless somehow Republicans grow a spine and eject Trump.
Please ignore your stupid president and waste the motherfuckers.
TSFA is pretty much uncontrollable and Turkey knows this. So far they haven't commited their own forces to the fighting except for air strikes. They are sending the TSFA to bombed positions to take out SDF forces with their main forces only as backup.
The general turkish population would not take kindly to TAF getting slaughtered and would start asking questions.
On the other hand TSFA is comprised of crazy fucks with zero restraint. Not a good look for turkey. Its only a matter of time until the turkish people will start to question the purpose of this mission.
If erdogan turns this into an ongoing situation, he is doomed.
The general turkish population would not take kindly to TAF getting slaughtered and would start asking questions.
On the other hand TSFA is comprised of crazy fucks with zero restraint. Not a good look for turkey. Its only a matter of time until the turkish people will start to question the purpose of this mission.
If erdogan turns this into an ongoing situation, he is doomed.
You realize the few Americans over there will get annihilated if they get drawn into a fight? This shit is heinous all around, and your internet nerd bloodlust is frankly disgusting.
The full video shows a dozen dead soldiers with machine guns. Not excusing it but I feel like thats an important fact they deliberately cut.
They can call air support in minutes to take out those pathetic terrorists in their jeeps.
Just read 950 ISIS fighters have escaped from a Kurdish prison because of Turkish attacks. Bravo, Trump.
Mostly just women and children of isis fighters. Still bad of course.
Never would have happened to begin with had the US not withdrawn from the beginning. Turkey would have never attacked US forces in the region.
The tweet says that they were being escorted by soldiers. They weren't hiding it.
The tweet literally says they were escorted by SDF fighters which is custom in conflict regions (good luck traveling alone as a western journalist).
Looks like atleast 2 french journalists were injured.
As an European what sickens me the most is that the end of the day our politicians won't do jack shit like they always do. Time and time again our adversaries threaten us, invade countries around them and they do nothing. Russia invades Moldova? Nothing is done. Russia invades and partitions Georgia? Nothing is done. Russia invades Ukraine, shoots down MH17 and annexes a part of Ukraine? Nothing is done. Turkey invades and partitions Cyprus? Nothing is done. Turkey invades Cyprus' economic zone? Nothing is done. Turkey repeatedly invades Syria with the help of jihadists? Nothing is done.
Russia and Turkey are trying to destroy us and unless we do something to stop it they'll succeed.
Russia and Turkey are trying to destroy us and unless we do something to stop it they'll succeed.
France and Germany at least have banned arms exports to Turkey in response to these attacks on the Kurds. They plan to take it to the EU on this Monday.
So more money for Russia then. Stopping arm exports won't do shit, there needs to be sanctions which bring the Turkish economy to the brink of full collapse.
The problem is as long we (europeans) don't have a unified military. If we (germans) had an actual military instead of that clownshow i'd argue to impose a no fly zone.
Yep. Banning flights to Turkey (like Russia did) would collapse their tourism industry.
The Turkish exonomy is suprisingly versatile. Sanctions won't collapse the economy, it will only slow things down and with 4 million syrians wanting to go to Europe I don't think sanctions will be a option for Europe. They will probably strike a deal about the scope of the operation. Turkey also has legitimate reasons to do this operation. Northen Syria has been a haven for PKK terrorist for years now.
That's not even close to true. The turk financial industry is already close to collapse and kicking them out of the EU customs union will absolutely destroy the turkish economy.
brazil with bolsonaro is a lost cause, maybe this will make Macron move.
Is it really an Erdogan thing though? The whole turkish parliament minus the HDP greenlighted this without any questions.
Hmm I see, PKK is a rebel group, they don't attack civilians!! And now I understand your posts here, why they have little to no truth in them. But I'm a propaganda machine so...
Attacking civilians and arrested soldiers have nothing justifiable. They should be punished if true. When arriving conclusions based on anything now I try to be careful. What I see is there is a lot of fake or false photos, videos, news from both Turkey and YPG. Some Twitter accs posted here have amazing history of being objective, it's good no one calling them propaganda or biased /s. Some tweets have conflicting information. I don't expect them to publish actual Turkish soldiers', not FSA, videos properly capturing and arresting people which is the norm and acceptable. Also look at Raqqa, that city almost vanished. And look at the places Turks attacked. Do you see same destruction? There is a video foreign fighters talk about Turkish attack and they sit on living room and say they bomb weaponry and food supplies.
I don't know if you ever notice, some are one-sided as much as Turks. Ooh they hurt American soldiers... No no they attacked them, no no they attacked near them... Just one km away? They kill civilians and free ISIS members. Wow all stupid moves possible and at nearly same moment. I wonder why?
Lastly I want to thank you, guys. I wrote some emotional or biased things. I realize I should be thankful to this forum after seeing other places such as twitter. Maybe I'm wrong about some of what I say. But I really try to be honest. I don't want anyone to die. I feel sick. But I know any solution would require existing part's perspective so I try to contribute. All I can think of most of the time, this would have been avoided.
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The Turkish population seems to be fully behind this operation.
Probably told him he would buy some stuff from the US and he would do the whole thing for free!
Trump just needs to be convinced he made a good deal, which more and more dictators are able to achieve. All because he doesn't listen to his own agencies.
I feel like Trump is someone who would quit his day job if he won $500 in the lottery.
It won't. Don't make stuff up. The Turkish economy is not in a good state for a good 2 to 3 years now but that's mostly because of questionable policies. Turkey has a huge work force and the economy has its own strengths. All sanctions will do is extend the recession a bit. Turkey has loads of options outside of the EU and the EU is not really eager to lose an economic partner like Turkey. It goes both ways.
No one in Turkey would publicly oppose the operation right now because they would be labelled terrorist sympathisers and lose any support.
This operation is a desperate attempt to get his voters back (and the ultra nationalists). People in turkey are sick of the millions of refugees, they don't have the infrastructure to take care of them and the help the EU/USA offered wasn't nearly enough to help in that regard.
He wants to dump them to stop the critics.
There are other reasons too, see 9-Volt's post.
Journos go on convoys with soldiers a lot of the time in war zones because they are protection. Journos do not go out into warzones on their own most of the time. If they want to get to the front line for reports then they are escorted.
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Syria. We were in the convoy of Kurdish civilians targeted by Turkish forces or their allies in Ras Al Ain. Our team is fine but some colleagues are dead. Our story from the
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tonight with
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