Judging by the hate boner for Turkey and how the American left (lol) media spinning this whole operation, I feel like the moment I open my mouth about this and speak my mind I will get a ban, even though I hate Erdogan and consider myself social democrat.
I support the west leaving the Middle East and let the people there decide how to move forward but not if it means they're going to commit genocide. We can't just wash our hands of this and let people die.
Thank you for your fantastic insight.
Ah yes the genocide card. Let's all forget the thousands of turks and kurds have been killed by PKK and their new brand YPG since the 70s
Ah yes the genocide card. Let's all forget the thousands of turks and kurds have been killed by PKK and their new brand YPG since the 70s because the Americans used PKK againts ISIS and they are friends.
You know what while we are at it, lets divide Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq into pieces and give Kurds state because we all know that won't create any problems.
Americans need to decide between PKK and Turkey as their allies.
Turkey isn't committing a genocide. Just 10 minutes ago, PKK bombed Nusaybin and killed 8 of our people. Are they also committing genocide?
Turkey isn't committing a genocide. Just 10 minutes ago, PKK bombed Nusaybin and killed 8 of our people. Are they also committing genocide?
You didn't answer the question. Do you think that killing Kurds is ok because PKK killed Turks? That's what you practically stated in your previous post.
Additional question: do you think all Kurds that are in the area that Turkey is trying to invade now are terrorists?
I don't know, research shows the PKK only exists because of one of Turkey's previous ethnic cleansing campaigns. I also think we owed it to the Kurds to stay there and prevent another Turkish lead genocide considering the numerous times we'd betrayed them in the past.Judging by the hate boner for Turkey and how the American left (lol) media spinning this whole operation, I feel like the moment I open my mouth about this and speak my mind I will get a ban, even though I hate Erdogan and consider myself social democrat.
All I can say is 1) US, please get the fuck out of Middle-East. 2) Reseach PKK, the Kurdish seperaist movement and the pain it brought both to us and kurds.
Ah yes the genocide card. Let's all forget the thousands of turks and kurds have been killed by PKK and their new brand YPG since the 70s because the Americans used PKK againts ISIS and they are friends.
You know what while we are at it, lets divide Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq into pieces and give Kurds state because we all know that won't create any problems.
Americans need to decide between PKK and Turkey as their allies.
I don't know, research shows the PKK only exists because of one of Turkey's previous ethnic cleansing campaigns. I also think we owed it to the Kurds to stay there and prevent another Turkish lead genocide considering the numerous times we'd betrayed them in the past.
Right now Turkey is acting against every argument for America to get out of the middle east. U.S. pulls out of a country, and Turkey immediately moves to kill more Kurds. It makes for a poor argument. We should certainly leave the middle east to an extent, but we're doing so in the exact opposite of the way it needs to be done, and the Kurdish people are paying the price. Again.
Dude
Guardian said:About 64,000 people have fled Syria since the campaign began, according to the International Rescue Committee aid group. The Kurdish Red Crescent said on Thursday night that 11 civilians had been killed in the fighting, including an 11-year-old boy in Qamishli.
You're also maiming children, so if you're proud of that, you can fuck off.Of course not. We are killing terrorists. For some people it is so easy to talk about this PKK issue. I don't know where you are from friend but imagine if Mexico started blowing people up in US and imagine that shit went on for 40 years. Do you think US is just going sit and watch it happen?
I am one of the lucky ones. Because I only just know people who have lost their loved ones to PKK and YPG in bombings. Fucking civilians died by the hundreds. Generations are scarred by the seperaist movement.
I believe I can't get my point accross so I will stop talking friend. I don't wish to fight with any of you you all have valuable but different point of views.
So why the fuck are you invading?I am just adding this one last thing: I am not saying the Kurds are terrorists, I am just saying we are targeting terrorists (PKK and YPG). I wish civilians, 8 of our people died today, wouldn't die but they are unfortunately. Americans would know this better as they are so good at killing civilians in their terrorist operations.
The optimum solution would be us leaving Syria the fuck alone and trust the Americans to mediate. But who trusts them nowadays?
I am just adding this one last thing: I am not saying the Kurds are terrorists, I am just saying we are targeting terrorists (PKK and YPG). I wish civilians, 8 of our people died today, wouldn't die but they are unfortunately. Americans would know this better as they are so good at killing civilians in their terrorist operations.
The optimum solution would be us leaving Syria the fuck alone and trust the Americans to mediate. But who trusts them nowadays?
You literally just called them terrorists. All of them. And you know why you use that word? Because you got told to use it. China is killing "terrorists", Isreal is killing "terrorists", every regime is always killing "terrorists" because then the population at home won't feel that bad about the inhuman killing of the "bad guys".I am just adding this one last thing: I am not saying the Kurds are terrorists, I am just saying we are targeting terrorists (PKK and YPG). I wish civilians, 8 of our people died today, wouldn't die but they are unfortunately. Americans would know this better as they are so good at killing civilians in their terrorist operations.
The optimum solution would be us leaving Syria the fuck alone and trust the Americans to mediate. But who trusts them nowadays?
Well we already have the rise of fascism that was present in the late 1920's. Now we just need the financial market to collapse again and we'll be right on track.Sort of off topic, but we're going to have another World War soon, aren't we? We're getting to that point.
I am just adding this one last thing: I am not saying the Kurds are terrorists, I am just saying we are targeting terrorists (PKK and YPG). I wish civilians, 8 of our people died today, wouldn't die but they are unfortunately. Americans would know this better as they are so good at killing civilians in their terrorist operations.
The optimum solution would be us leaving Syria the fuck alone and trust the Americans to mediate. But who trusts them nowadays?
All you do is answer with "Americans are bad". And some of them surely are. But guess what? Turkish people who support ethnic cleansing are as bad if not worse.
Civilians deaths are unfortunate? You are to blame for these deaths by starting this war that again has as its declared purpose to replace Kurdish population there.
Am I to blame? Tell that to the hundreds of civilians died in cities like Istanbul and Ankara, let alone in the southern cities thanks to spineless bombings and terrorist attacks from PKK.
You literally just called them terrorists. All of them. And you know why you use that word? Because you got told to use it. China is killing "terrorists", Isreal is killing "terrorists", every regime is always killing "terrorists" because then the population at home won't feel that bad about the inhuman killing of the "bad guys".
Handwaving the killing of civilians because who cares - they are all terrorists, right? - is absolutely disgusting.
While true, I'd add that the same goes for people who dismiss killings by Kurdish armed forces.Yes, you fully support killing civilians in this very thread as a revenge.
see this distaste for america baffles me because from what i'm reading it sounds like we're more alike than we are different.
While true, I'd add that the same goes for people who dismiss killings by Kurdish armed forces.
Of course, no attack on civilians is justified. But it was very predictable that this will happen once a war is started. On both sides. It happened so so many times in the middle East.
For all the talk of betrayal by Trump y'all seem to forget Erdoğan and Trump are very much allies too. The US played itself into this situation by allying two deep enemies in the region.What Trump did was idiotic and borderline criminal but let's not forget who's is actually doing the killing . Focus should be on Turkey
Understandable. I'll also add though that our part in this extends well beyond just our corrupt President pulling out for personal gain and leaving the Kurds to the wolves. The Turkish attack is being carried out with U.S. weapons, so we have a more direct responsibility too. From my own lefty American perspective, when we are strong allies with a group of people who fought for us, we shouldn't be abandoning them to be killed off by a superior U.S. armed force. Hundreds of thousands of Kurds have been murdered with U.S. assistance, and now Trump is making that happen again.I believe I can't get my point accross so I will stop talking friend. I don't wish to fight with any of you you all have valuable but different point of views.
So what is the solution? Forget about hundreds PKK killed since the 70s? Sure, I am ready to do that if they can stop trying divide my country. After that what happens? Trust the Americans? Get out of here.
You know what I would be fully ok if Nato creates a buffer zone between us and the PKK in the N. Syria. How about this?
Who trusts Turkey either really.I am just adding this one last thing: I am not saying the Kurds are terrorists, I am just saying we are targeting terrorists (PKK and YPG). I wish civilians, 8 of our people died today, wouldn't die but they are unfortunately. Americans would know this better as they are so good at killing civilians in their terrorist operations.
The optimum solution would be us leaving Syria the fuck alone and trust the Americans to mediate. But who trusts them nowadays?
TrashVery low damage compared to the Turkish civilians and Turkish soldiers that pkk/ypg fuckers killed.
For now.