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Turkey claims it has killed 342 Kurds in the past 3 days
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Ah yes the genocide card. Let's all forget the thousands of turks and kurds have been killed by PKK and their new brand YPG since the 70s because the Americans used PKK againts ISIS and they are friends.
You know what while we are at it, lets divide Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq into pieces and give Kurds state because we all know that won't create any problems.
Americans need to decide between PKK and Turkey as their allies.
So you think that a genocide is required to even the score?
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Turkey isn't committing a genocide. Just 10 minutes ago, PKK bombed Nusaybin and killed 8 of our people. Are they also committing genocide?
It's like a Tom Clancy novel gone wrong.
US aligns with mercs to fight the bad guys and then all of a sudden the US abandons their allies, who then get slaughtered and the White House pretends it never happened.
Isn't that pretty much the plot to Clear and Present Danger?
US aligns with mercs to fight the bad guys and then all of a sudden the US abandons their allies, who then get slaughtered and the White House pretends it never happened.
Isn't that pretty much the plot to Clear and Present Danger?
What, so one can destroy the other? There's a third option. Hold the space between Turkey and PKK/YPG/Kurds with US/UN/NATO Troops and force talks.
Which, fucking enlighten me otherwise, is exactly what we were fucking doing until daddy Erdogan called and Trump kowtowed.
You didn't answer the question. Do you think that killing Kurds is ok because PKK killed Turks? That's what you practically stated in your previous post.
Additional question: do you think all Kurds that are in the area that Turkey is trying to invade now are terrorists?
Yes. The rockets came from Qamishli, a Kurdish held town. That just this morning..lets check the notes...had a giant car bomb from ISIS. They haven't even attributed the rockets to anyone yet, but good on ya for getting ahead of the facts.
Of course not. We are killing terrorists. For some people it is so easy to talk about this PKK issue. I don't know where you are from friend but imagine if Mexico started blowing people up in US and imagine that shit went on for 40 years. Do you think US is just going sit and watch it happen?
I am one of the lucky ones. Because I only just know people who have lost their loved ones to PKK and YPG in bombings. Fucking civilians died by the hundreds. Generations are scarred by the seperaist movement.
I don't know, research shows the PKK only exists because of one of Turkey's previous ethnic cleansing campaigns. I also think we owed it to the Kurds to stay there and prevent another Turkish lead genocide considering the numerous times we'd betrayed them in the past.
Right now Turkey is acting against every argument for America to get out of the middle east. U.S. pulls out of a country, and Turkey immediately moves to kill more Kurds. It makes for a poor argument. We should certainly leave the middle east to an extent, but we're doing so in the exact opposite of the way it needs to be done, and the Kurdish people are paying the price. Again.
The killing done by the PKK is not acceptable either. What you're proposing is we just leave the ME and let the Turks kill off the Kurds. Instead we should help protect the Kurds and push for peace negotiations. We should not force Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq to give up their land because that's what helped mess up the Middle East to begin with. We can at least try to limit as many innocent deaths as possible and push for peace talks.
I believe I can't get my point accross so I will stop talking friend. I don't wish to fight with any of you you all have valuable but different point of views.
Stop mixing your answer with propaganda if you want to have a serious discussion.
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You're also maiming children, so if you're proud of that, you can fuck off.
You are defending an operation who's declared scope is to replace the Kurdish population (no matter if guilty in any way or not for any crimes) in the area with Syrian refugees. This is not about personal opinion, this is defending fascist policies.
I am just adding this one last thing: I am not saying the Kurds are terrorists, I am just saying we are targeting terrorists (PKK and YPG). I wish civilians, 8 of our people died today, wouldn't die but they are unfortunately. Americans would know this better as they are so good at killing civilians in their terrorist operations.
The optimum solution would be us leaving Syria the fuck alone and trust the Americans to mediate. But who trusts them nowadays?
Excuse me but I can't read Erdocunt's mind. Read my previous replies to get some insight on the Kurdish terrorist movement.
All you do is answer with "Americans are bad". And some of them surely are. But guess what? Turkish people who support ethnic cleansing are as bad if not worse.
Civilians deaths are unfortunate? You are to blame for these deaths by starting this war that again has as its declared purpose to replace Kurdish population there.
You literally just called them terrorists. All of them. And you know why you use that word? Because you got told to use it. China is killing "terrorists", Isreal is killing "terrorists", every regime is always killing "terrorists" because then the population at home won't feel that bad about the inhuman killing of the "bad guys".
Handwaving the killing of civilians because who cares - they are all terrorists, right? - is absolutely disgusting.
Well we already have the rise of fascism that was present in the late 1920's. Now we just need the financial market to collapse again and we'll be right on track.
I don't blame Turkey for wanting to quash terrorism either (even if the government is the principal cause of it, it's still terrorism) but when the Kurds have been repressed by our government (Turkey) since (basically) its very foundation, I simply don't trust Turkey to stick to shooting actual terrorists.
That's not to say people who murder civilians are guilt free whatsoever, freedom fighter or not. If you're seeing the PKK/YPG as national factions before defining PKK as terrorism, you can hold them to the same standard of finding murder of civilians abhorrent, avoidable, and not 'casualties' for a noble cause.
That's not to say people who murder civilians are guilt free whatsoever, freedom fighter or not. If you're seeing the PKK/YPG as national factions before defining PKK as terrorism, you can hold them to the same standard of finding murder of civilians abhorrent, avoidable, and not 'casualties' for a noble cause.
see this distaste for america baffles me because from what i'm reading it sounds like we're more alike than we are different.
Am I to blame? Tell that to the hundreds of civilians died in cities like Istanbul and Ankara, let alone in the southern cities thanks to spineless bombings and terrorist attacks from PKK since the 70s.
Yes, you fully support killing civilians in this very thread as a revenge. This post says practically the same. Whataboutism is the coward's weapon.
Don't put words in my mouth. Aim of this operation to kill terrorists. So we are killing terrorists. But yes the civilian deaths from the both sides are disgusting.
While true, I'd add that the same goes for people who dismiss killings by Kurdish armed forces.
No no no, America was build on genocide and Turkey was build on *checks notes* ...oh, also genocide.
Of course, no attack on civilians is justified. But it was very predictable that this will happen once a war is started. On both sides. It happened so so many times in the middle East.
What Trump did was idiotic and borderline criminal but let's not forget who's is actually doing the killing . Focus should be on Turkey
So what is the solution? Forget about hundreds PKK killed since the 70s? Sure, I am ready to do that if they can stop trying divide my country. After that what happens? Trust the Americans? Get out of here.
You know what I would be fully ok if Nato creates a buffer zone between us and the PKK in the N. Syria. How about this?
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For all the talk of betrayal by Trump y'all seem to forget Erdoğan and Trump are very much allies too. The US played itself into this situation by allying two deep enemies in the region.
Understandable. I'll also add though that our part in this extends well beyond just our corrupt President pulling out for personal gain and leaving the Kurds to the wolves. The Turkish attack is being carried out with U.S. weapons, so we have a more direct responsibility too. From my own lefty American perspective, when we are strong allies with a group of people who fought for us, we shouldn't be abandoning them to be killed off by a superior U.S. armed force. Hundreds of thousands of Kurds have been murdered with U.S. assistance, and now Trump is making that happen again.
Who said anything about forgetting? But find the people guilty of terrorist acts and bring them to justice. You really blame them all on people from outside your territory? WTF is your state doing then?
A war does nothing but escalates the situation exponentially. To thousands of deaths. On both sides. Do you really it is worth it in the name of the revenge? Do you think it will calm the situation or it will create more and more revenge?
Excusing new deaths in the name of revenge is how most genocides started.
An entire generation of Kurds will be raised knowing that America betrayed them, which will breed extremism, so thanks for further compromising our national security dumbass. This entire administration needs to face criminal charges.