Tulsa Race Massacre centenary: major event canceled after payment dispute
Negotiations for the event, at which John Legend and Stacey Abrams were to appear, broke down over payments to three survivors
www.theguardian.com
...100k?
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Tulsa Race Massacre centenary: major event canceled after payment dispute (Talks break down over how much survivors would be paid)(100k per person)
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www.theguardian.com
...100k?
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Is it the amount, or is it the fact that the "survivor" turn down them, and with a counter offer instead of just accepting it, showing they are now "forgive" and everything is fix.
This whole thing was looking like the same finessing we were seeing from people using BLM as a way to funnel money to themselves. Especially when you are inviting celebrities out.
They aint seeing that 1M dollars but its way under the amount they should be getting considering what Black Wall Street was becoming at the time.
Oh, and these fools went out and raised money for a museum in a gentrified area instead of just giving that money to survivors and letting them decide what to do with the money. And I know any money made off that museum isn't mostly going to the victims either. Black pain just being used once again for people to market off of. 🙄🙄🙄
They aint seeing that 1M dollars but its way under the amount they should be getting considering what Black Wall Street was becoming at the time.
Oh, and these fools went out and raised money for a museum in a gentrified area instead of just giving that money to survivors and letting them decide what to do with the money. And I know any money made off that museum isn't mostly going to the victims either. Black pain just being used once again for people to market off of. 🙄🙄🙄
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There's only 3 survivor left, so they were only going to give 300k, and the survivor represneitve asked for 1 million for them.
And it does seem to be money reason mainly, since there is two or three group claiming they are the "real" one
Organizers: Dispute over survivors scrapped Tulsa event
Tulsans working on events commemorating the 1921 Race Massacre say a dispute over monetary payments to survivors led to the cancellation of a headline event.
apnews.com
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So you think 100k is a good amount?
And two of the guest have stated if the survivor are not there, they might not attend, so seem like they can ask for more?
so...100k to each survivor, and 2 million for reparation funds. The city raised 30 million, and is using 20 million on a museum.
Shouldn't the numbers be reversed?
20 million to the survivors, and reparations, and nothing to the city that committed the massacre.
Shouldn't the numbers be reversed?
20 million to the survivors, and reparations, and nothing to the city that committed the massacre.
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They probably chose $100k because that was an average net worth for someone who would've had money in a major financial hub at the time. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $1.4 million today. Given that these people would've lost that $100k net worth, paying them back adjusted for inflation 100% makes sense.
They don't need to spend $20 million on a museum with the families getting $100k.
They don't need to spend $20 million on a museum with the families getting $100k.
There's only 3 survivor left, so they were only going to give 300k, and the survivor represneitve asked for 1 million for them.
And it does seem to be money reason mainly, since there is two or three group claiming they are the "real" one
Organizers: Dispute over survivors scrapped Tulsa event
Tulsans working on events commemorating the 1921 Race Massacre say a dispute over monetary payments to survivors led to the cancellation of a headline event.
From your article it sounds like the money was agreed on and then right before the lawyer asked for it to go from 100k -> 1 million and asked the seed money for reparations to go from 2 million to $50 million. This seems a bit outrageous at the last second.
Reading your article it sounds like a mess, a lot of fighting going on, and this doesn't even have the fighting that they're having with the state government.
From the AP article above the Commission is what raised the money, I believe that is separate from the city.
This is what it comes down to for me. Especially since they're exploiting the image and presence of these survivors to help raise this money, and the lion's share of it seems to be going towards something that's not going to help the Black residents of Tulsa at all.
Listened to a code switch about this - it's evidentially just gentrification of the neighborhood under the guise of a history museum and "investment in the community"
One of the survivors has sued for use of her name for the museum AND their is already a museum in the neighborhood
One of the survivors has sued for use of her name for the museum AND their is already a museum in the neighborhood
About the Commission (tulsa2021.org)
Honorable Matt Pinnell
Lt. Governor of Oklahoma
Honorable James Lankford
Senator
Honorable GT Bynum
Mayor, City of Tulsa
Honorable Stan Sallee
Tulsa County Commissioner
Honorable M. Susan Savage
Morton Comprehensive Health Services
Honorable Judy Eason-McIntyre
Retired State Representative
Dr. Howard Barnett
Oklahoma State University - Tulsa
Tom Biolchini
Chairman, Vast Bank
Dr. Pamela Fry
Oklahoma State University - Tulsa
Dr. Deborah Gist
Tulsa Public Schools
Donna Jackson
North Tulsa 100
Frances Jordan-Rakestraw
Greenwood Cultural Center
Alicia Latimer
Tulsa City-County Library
Ken Levit
George Kaiser Family Foundation
Kara Joy McKee
District 4 City Councilor, City of Tulsa
For something that is not part of the City, it seem to have a lot of city and other government officials in it.
So my stance didn't change. The city raised 30 mil, would only pay 300k to survivors and 2 mil to reparations, then 20 mil to a "museum"
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It's not family getting 100k.
It's the last 3 survivor each will only get 100k and their lawyer saying it's not good enough.
Regardless of the outcome, that money is going into a trust that's willed to the children and grand children even if it's being awarded to individuals. But that's not the point.
The point is that it's not enough money regardless because it's no longer 1921.
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Yep~ 100k is not a serious offer, and acting like it is and that it is wrong to refuse it is not good.
Raise 20+ mill and giving 300k to the actual victims family is the most American thing ever... 20 fucking mil to a museum.
Makes me think they wouldnt have done this at all had they not been able to benefit from it. Like they found the smallest amount they could give them possible.... so ridiculous.
Makes me think they wouldnt have done this at all had they not been able to benefit from it. Like they found the smallest amount they could give them possible.... so ridiculous.
Yeah, that Code Switch episode is crazy. There's ALREADY a museum in the neighborhood. Who is this new museum for? And the survivor already said that she didn't want anything to do with the new museum, and sued for them using her name in the commemoration.
And then there's the whole education about the massacre. OK is a red state. They trying to stop the education of "anything that might cause racial trauma." That means Tulsa being a footnote, at best. Migrant workers from Africa, plantation hands that helped in the fields, states rights, etc.
The amount of money is low but not what I'm confused by, I'm confused by why they made such a major change to their demands so close to this memorial event. The commission is clearly more at fault, if not 100% at fault, but neither article gives me a sense of the survivors' lawyer's strategy. Was it their intent to force the commission to cancel their flawed memorial service? What result were they hoping for or expecting?
it looks like the actual subjects of the celebrated event were never fully on board with anything, and the city and politics of Tulsa wanted to have a big event and got the wheels rolling so they could do so. Invite the president, plan a big 20million dollar tourist attraction for their massacre to raise money for the city, now that they're no longer hiding it, and so on.
I think they should get $1 million BUT if they already agreed to 100k/$2m and then changed their minds to $1 million/$50 million just a week before the event you can kind of see how that might fuck things up
edit: i guess I misunderstood what was being stated. Shit's a fucking mess but it definitely all seems to be on the city
edit: i guess I misunderstood what was being stated. Shit's a fucking mess but it definitely all seems to be on the city
So did they or did they not agree to $100k/$2m at one point?
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those 3 elders? I'm going to believe that they did not. And if it was ever unclear, the onus wasn't on them to clarify.
The head of the centennial commission stated that the *commission* had agreed to the $100k/$2 million figure that they thought the survivors would accept. It's unclear if the survivors themselves ever agreed to that figure. Their attorney is stating that the commission was unresponsive for months and only agreed to meet with them last week when it appeared they wouldn't be attending... and the celebrities lined up wouldn't attend without the survivors there. They presented a negotiable figure to the commission but rather than negotiate the event was cancelled.
They raised at least $20 million for the museum that no one asked for. Not surprised they raised the amount when this all seems like more performative moves.
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Because the not city commision run by the mayor and numerous other govt officials that raised 30 million on the murder and tragedy of the tulsa massacre deserves at least 20 mil and the survivors should be grateful for 100k after 100 years of inaction and silence?
Why don't you read my edits
I said that the survivors should get their full demands, only said that the timing was the problem. But I also made that post under the false impression that the survivors had reached the original agreement. Apparently this was not so and i edited the post to reflect this new information
This is just one massacre and they are still holding out paying this one that's getting attention.
Horrible people, that very likely benefited from slavery, are likely the ones to decide this kind of stuff. Their ancestors may have even gotten money because they couldn't use slaves anymore.
Horrible people, that very likely benefited from slavery, are likely the ones to decide this kind of stuff. Their ancestors may have even gotten money because they couldn't use slaves anymore.