He cannot force a veto because it essentially makes him a lame duck. It would be much better for him politically to sign the first bill with protest.
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Trump walked out of the meeting about shutdown after Pelosi said "No" to the wall yet again
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He cannot force a veto because it essentially makes him a lame duck. It would be much better for him politically to sign the first bill with protest.
The GOP find him very convenient. Once his usefulness has been exhausted they'll remove him, but they won't do that while he's still useful and while he still has strong support from his base.
Quoted to the part I gave up.
*why* would you ever feel "there HAS to be a Both Sides here!"
False. The budget passed in both chambers under a GOP majority with a GOP POTUS, who didn't sign it. Then it passed comfortably in the Dem-led House and Mitch won't bring it to a re-vote in the Senate even though it passed 100-0 a couple of weeks ago, because POTUS won't sign it, despite it having passed both chambers which were either bipartisan or GOP controlled. This is not a "both sides" issue.
we literally just proved two months ago that's not true. Jesus Christ!!!!!111 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The Democrats have ALREADY CAPITULATED ON ADDITIONAL BORDER SECURITY FUNDING.... Jesus.
Schumer extended an olive branch of $1.6 Billion for "Border Security." The Republicans saw this as sufficient and the temporary bill was UNANIMOUSLY passed in the Senate in 2018.
Trump now (for nothing in return) is demanding $5 Billion explicitly for the wall (as a down-payment for something that will cost $20 Billion).
This is a MASSIVE DEAL, because this is the President of the United States holding the country hostage, when there was already a bi-partisan solution and compromise in place.
I don't think so. Trump will eventually cave and probably try the emergency powers shit so he has an excuse to reopen the government and just blame dems.
This looks fucking awful for him. The longer this continues the more his approval rating sinks, and we all know he won't like that.
There is no winning. Trump already said he would own it, he's on tape. Nothing good comes from this.
No no, it has to be named the Barack Obama Wall of Unity and anyone who touches it will be considered for asylum.
If that's on tape it would hurt Trump more than him killing someone in the 5th Avenue...
First one is a big ol' OF COURSE HE DID because come on, who wouldn't have guessed that.
Second is just...
Because people are already blaming him heavily and it's only growing.
We're talking about a guy who shut down the government because ann coulter blocked him on twitter.
Reason, logic, adult reactions, planning, remove all of these things.
lmao foh with this "both sides" crap. You couldn't be any more disingenuous and transparent if you tried.
Why weren't the cameras in for this meeting?
This shit is better than SNL
He's using his exact same strategy that he uses to stiff contractors into less money than they were initially contracted for. Hold out, refuse to pay, refuse to pay, refuse to speak to them until they get desperate and take the lowball "offer" he provides them.
A lot of the Democrats that were just elected ran on a platform of "no wall." It would look awful if they came in and said "well, we ran on 'no wall,' but we are going to give him some money for the wall anyway." Plus all border experts and the people working the border have said that money would be better spent on upgrading equipment and technologies to monitor the border, and a wall won't do anything.
But this isn't over an actual wall, this is about Trump looking like he is a powerful guy and appeasing his base. A major campaign promise from him was "we're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it." Two years into his presidency he has nothing to show for it. When Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress, they could have easily passed legislation to pay for the wall. But they didn't because building a wall on the Mexican border is something Americans do not want. If it was something Americans wanted, it would have passed easily in the previous two years.
I think we're quick to forget that the shutdown happened before Democrats took over the House. The Republican controlled House and Senate could not come to an agreement before Christmas. I think now it's a bigger deal to Trump since the Democrats control the House, so he is trying to make it look like their obstructing.
We'll see... I think he'll try his emergency declaration before he lets it get to a veto override.
Really really hope this is on camera. Run this on loop on every station that will air it back-to-back with his "I'll own the shutdown" clip.
telling the president that he can pout, offer no compromises, and hold millions of lives hostage to get whatever he wants seems like a bad idea.
CNN: "The average of polls taken since the shutdown began indicate that Americans are blaming Republicans for the shutdown. In the average, about 50% think Trump is most to blame, 35% think congressional Democrats are most to blame and about 5% think congressional Republicans are most to blame."
So I guess Trump has the most to lose (out of the two sides) if this stalemate continues.
So I guess Trump has the most to lose (out of the two sides) if this stalemate continues.
Doubtful. This Friday will be the first day that workers don't get a paycheck they were supposed to get, and hell will break loose. Like most people in America they don't have a huge amount of savings to fall back on and will need to find new work, and then the beginning of February poor folks stop getting their government checks... and a lot of them are Trump voters who depend on SNAP/food stamps/etc to live.
I don't see it getting to Feb in the first place but if it does it'll end shortly into that month in one way or another.
That's your takeaway from this? What a clown. What's there to discuss, tell us
Because if the democrats cave then it's over. This is a fight for any semblance of control over the next 2 years. If Democrats cave then republicans do this every time they want something.
Also fuck this compromise shit I'm in it to win now
That's my take away from "lets ban people who see it another way!"
There's a lot to discuss with someone like that, as has been shown in multiple posts throughout the thread.
Congrats on saying something dumber than the post you're critiquing.
There's definitely a discussion to be had about "but what if the Democrats are to blame"
If we just ban people who have a dissenting opinion what's even the point?
Discussion is fine, the problem is that "both sides" posts in threads or topics like these are more often than not lazy and disingenuous, and not made by people who actually have no actual interest in engaging in discussion and have zero ability to back up those claims in any meaningful way, and when called out on it inevitably end with "I'm just asking questions/I'm not even from this country/ERA is no different from the old site" before claiming they are leaving the thread.
Hey, let's not say one post is dumber than the other before engaging in further discussion. It takes two to tango.
Explaining to them the consequences of capitulating to Trump on this issue, for one.
"Both sides" isn't discussion.
"Both sides" is nothing but uninformed idiots trying to stop discussion.