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May 9, 2018
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I know making another thread on a Trump tweet may be excessive, but...



wat.

(EDIT: Title is slightly incorrect, the magazine cover isn't new)
 
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Dude Abides

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Oct 27, 2017
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Trumpism will survive so long as there are sub-mediocre angry white people looking to blame people of other ethnicities for their failures.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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They're basically saying how his ideology - the naked white supremacy, the contempt of competence and compassion, etc. - will outlast him and influence many future Republican candidates. Of course, he's too dumb to get it.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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And if he loses in 2020- He will be remembered as the worst president in the history of the US, and Republicans will pretend that they never supported him.

See: GWB.
 

Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
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well yea, trump isn't the problem, he's never been the problem

opportunist idiots like him exist all over the place, people actually voting for him is the problem

politics is tribalistic as fuck these days aswell as people being apathetic and uninformed

placing the blame at the feet of an elected representative is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard of

the single biggest reason why donald trump is the president of the united states is because he has an R next to his name, if he had a Z he would have gotten 2% of the vote
 
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maxxpower

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't Time understands that the American public is dumb as hell and won't get what the cover is saying.
 

Deception

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Nov 15, 2017
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I fear for the safety of American's if Trump loses in 2020. No way he or his base are going to let it happen peacefully.
 

PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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I actually don't think 'Trumpism' in the purest sense will last past him. His favored candidates seem to do really poorly when up against more traditional challengers.
 

vatstep

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems to be confirmation that he's going to be the first person to receive the eternal life elixir
 

Umbrella Carp

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Jan 16, 2019
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Can we please not turn "Trumpism" into a thing. I don't want that shitbags name attached to such a historic phenomenon in politics so we have to keep hearing it over and over and over.
 

Sweeney Swift

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Oct 25, 2017
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And if he loses in 2020- He will be remembered as the worst president in the history of the US, and Republicans will pretend that they never supported him.

See: GWB.

What Dubya enabled in 2000, and specifically immediately post-9/11, in terms of bigotry and hatred has certainly far from gone away

The correct voices to listen to said in 2016 that the hatred and racism and homophobia and transphobia his followers showed wouldn't go away so easily, if at all. In '17, '18, this year, or next year, or soon after

Trump is only a symptom, America won't be fixed by 2024

Exactly. I'd argue it's not getting fixed in our lifetimes either, but neither is climate change and people bury their heads in the sand about that too
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Can we please not turn "Trumpism" into a thing. I don't want that shitbags name attached to such a historic phenomenon in politics so we have to keep hearing it over and over and over.

I agree. It should just be called what it is: fascism.

While Eco is firm in claiming "There was only one Nazism," he says, "the fascist game can be played in many forms, and the name of the game does not change." Eco reduces the qualities of what he calls "Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism" down to 14 "typical" features. "These features," writes the novelist and semiotician, "cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it."

  1. The cult of tradition. "One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements."
  2. The rejection of modernism. "The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism."
  3. The cult of action for action's sake. "Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation."
  4. Disagreement is treason. "The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge."
  5. Fear of difference. "The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition."
  6. Appeal to social frustration. "One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups."
  7. The obsession with a plot. "The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia."
  8. The enemy is both strong and weak. "By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak."
  9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. "For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle."
  10. Contempt for the weak. "Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology."
  11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. "In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death."
  12. Machismo and weaponry. "Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
  13. Selective populism. "There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People."
  14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. "All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning."
This abridged list (available in full at The New York Review of Books) comes to us from Kottke, by way of blogger Paul Bausch, who writes "we have a strong history of opposing authoritarianism. I'd like to believe that opposition is like an immune system response that kicks in."

 

Serif

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really, really hate that this cartoon character is attached to and responsible for such real, actual evils. Like it'd be considered unrealistic to write a novel about what is literally happening right now.
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thank GOD there's an 8 year cap.
Trump getting out of office means nothing. His influence has already broken the political psyche of not just America, but the world. People in every other country can dispassionately mock the US like "Man, what idiots for voting in a racist reality star," but right wing nationalism and bigoted rhetoric are rising everywhere. Brexit was a warning, and people in the US thought "that could never happen here."

Who is the Republican Party after Trump? What lessons have they learned other than any presumed accountability against their racism, sexism, queerphobia, or outright criminal actions is toothless, and that the American public can continue to be swayed by apathy and hate-mongering? Do you think those beliefs are going to lose favor within the party, and the people who benefited from Trump's regime are just going cower back into their spider-holes?

"Trumpism" will outlast him. The Republican party have shown who they are, but it won't scare people away. The politicians who slowly stepped away as his insane narcissism and bigotry become only more and more public will replace him under this false notion that they were "the conscientious objectors," and perhaps "a promising show of progress within the Republican Party." Centrists will prop up these examples as validation to continue voting Republican, ignoring just how long it took for those same politicians to realize proximity-to-Trump looks bad on their resumes. The people who think voting out Trump is some decisive final victory will go back to acting like 'racism is defeated' and that they don't need to care anymore. The battle against fascist right-wing ideology is going to keep being fought, and we're going to keep dealing with people who didn't learn the fucking lesson.

Even if you chase the Nazis into the fucking streets, America is going to think it can go back to sleep in this 250 year old house, ignoring the damage done to its structure. Ignoring the natural decay that badly needed replacing even 100 years ago. They'll go back to sleep, ignoring the smoke alarms, and before you know it, the house will easily be set ablaze again, with everyone shocked that their right wing pyromaniac of a neighbor could do such damage...
 
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Dust

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Trump" is a state of mind/politics, in that view they are not wrong.
 

Merriweather

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Oct 29, 2017
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Unfortunately, he's probably bought into the right wing meme that 2024 is going to be Don Jr.'s turn, and then 2032 is when Ivanka gets to be president.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
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Of course he's been on Time's cover before. Who can forget this one proudly hanging in his golf club?

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PrimeBeef

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fuck everyone who let this happen
1, conservatives, mainly Republicans who only want power and lack the skills to govern.

2, social media, specifically the dumbing down of people who use it in their ability to critically think and just accept everything they read/watch as fact.

3, conservatives again in how they stoke fear in the hearts and minds of white dudes.

4, people in general for being more interested in entertainment and distraction than civic matters that they feel are unimportant to them, which has allowed conservatives to control and pass shitty legislation all over the country making things worse so they seek out more distractions and disengage from their civic duties.

I know voting is a right and anyone can choose not to, but we all should look at it as our obligation to each other to participate. Without citizen unity in voting, actual participation or all voting the same, we get to where we are now, where corporations and the interest of the uner rich have a greater hand in shaping things. I'm not ignoring that they have always had more leverage, but if we had 100% participation they wouldn't.
 

Casualcore

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Jul 25, 2018
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I mean, he's got all those kids to set up as puppets and extensions when he's hit his 8 years, if he decides he's done by then. You're always hearing about dictators being replaced by wives and kids. The wife wouldn't work here unless other rules were changed, but I'm pretty sure people have been talking about Ivanka being the first female president since 2016.