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Trump : School Must Open This Fall
- Thread starter Tsuyu
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How? You still haven't answered this very simple question.
Our school district is opening - they sent out an email last week. We have the option of 100% remote learning from home or they can go 2 days a week and remote 3 days.
I can't even imagine this from the perspective of a teacher - somehow trying to balance teaching some kids in a classroom, while another group will be remote learning.
Not necessarily. Based on what one of the superintendents in my area has said that it depends on the circumstances. Protocol may be different if everyone in the class was wearing a mask.
Temperature checks:
1.) There's a bunch of spreading BEFORE the symptoms like an elevated temperature show up.
2.) Have you ever been through a non-contact temperature check. It's a (medical calibrated) IR sensor. I normally read 96 in the two months I've been doing the charade at work.
3.) Good luck covering all the entrances to your average school.
1.) There's a bunch of spreading BEFORE the symptoms like an elevated temperature show up.
2.) Have you ever been through a non-contact temperature check. It's a (medical calibrated) IR sensor. I normally read 96 in the two months I've been doing the charade at work.
3.) Good luck covering all the entrances to your average school.
Luckily schools are only full of children and there are no adults who have to be there daily working in close proximity with dozens of people. Luckily kids are very good about things like hand washing and covering coughs and sneezes. Luckily this whole thing is just a mild flu. Luckily teachers only work 4 hour days and only a couple months a year. Luckily teachers have a lot of support from their local communities and aren't vilified at every opportunity.
I'm pretty sure the teachers who do 100% remote learning will be different from the teachers who are doing in classroom (and maybe some remote learning) work. There's no other way it could work.
1) Right, that's the presymptomatic thing I was talking about.
3) At least in my kids' school (and this initially surprised me) the entrances are carefully controlled. There is only one general entrance at use at any time and everyone funnels through it. You aren't allowed on campus at all unless you go through the front office. Kindergarten in particular is fenced off and separate from the rest of the school This was different from back when I went to school (admittedly in another state).
I think this post is pretty dangerous.
Children spreads viruses, this is a fact. Schools is a petri dish for diseases to spread, e.g., flu, colds, and other respiratory diseases, this is also a fact.
It is possible that children spreads the disease less compared to adults (if the articles you cited are actually correct), but what about the adults as other posters have pointed out. But, most of the articles are from other countries with different degrees of governmental responsibilities.
I wouldn't trust Trump nor his fucking secretary of education Betsy Devos to come up with a plan to actually begin opening schools safely around the country, e.g., install proper safety measures that include madatory face masks, proper distancing from each other, as well as temperature checks, and etc.
You also claim that we shouldn't act unless without serious scientific backing, but you only point to a few articles with some inferences that it is "possible" for children to spread the disease less. Some correlation doesn't necessarily = causation unless more research on the matter is conducted.
I gotta say man, your argument doesn't pass the smell test. Especially when at best, people get sick (adults and children) and may be out of commission for weeks to months, and at worse, people will lose their lives. Not sure people will want to risk their lives as faculty and staff, risk the lives of their children, or risk their own lives when children can possibly bring the virus back with them to their homes.
I understand there is urgency for many reasons to get children back into schools, but our federal government failed us hard. It's a hard sell to get people back into schools with all the incompetence going around the country.
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Indeed, and don't forget diabetic children. How many of those are they?
Those children and many teachers and support staff would be at risk. We must wait for a vaccine.
Superintendents can say whatever they want now. It's an initial position. Good luck contact tracing an infected person through the school, including hallways, bathrooms and cafeterias to ensure that 'everyone' that was potentially exposed was wearing a mask at all times.
I'm a teacher that currently is doing face to face stuff this summer. Kids do not wear masks properly, nor do they keep them on.
I'm a teacher that currently is doing face to face stuff this summer. Kids do not wear masks properly, nor do they keep them on.
So provide no resources to keep kids safe but mandate they open. Brilliant fucking move Florida
I'm a teacher in Florida, which is relevant considering they've gone on to proclaim that schools will be opening here.
I don't know about other districts, but in my district the reopening plan needs to be negotiated with the teacher's union, who've gone on record saying they will not support a reopening unless there is a significant decline in new cases. So... good fucking luck. Either the union folds or the state restricts testing to meet union requirements on a technicality, in which case we probably strike.
I don't know about other districts, but in my district the reopening plan needs to be negotiated with the teacher's union, who've gone on record saying they will not support a reopening unless there is a significant decline in new cases. So... good fucking luck. Either the union folds or the state restricts testing to meet union requirements on a technicality, in which case we probably strike.
Staggering the days that kids come in is probably a good first step. The main issue you're really facing is adult-to-adult spread, so anything that maximizes non-faculty work from home and faculty not all being there at the same time are good steps.
Pft, whatever.
American Association of Pediatricians actually agrees with this, but I don't know how you can do this without putting tons of teachers and families at risk. It's a lose-lose situation as a lot of students are really struggling with online learning and the effects of a full year of it might end up catastrophic in the long term, especially for those in the poorest communities. If they want online learning to work, they need to completely revamp how it's done and hire way more instructors to keep the class sizes smaller. You cannot control a Zoom call with 18 students in it.
And my wife had to work harder because she was responsible for creating new curriculum each week as the county didn't have anything created for distance learning
The proposed plan in my county is that the kids will be broken into groups a,b,c. Each group goes to school for 1 week and then distance learns for 2. So while group A is in school groups b and c will be home distance learning. This is to reduce class size. Lunches will also be served in the classroom and no clue about recess. The whole thing makes no sense.
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Lol you have no fucking clue how reality works. And of course you refused to answer the question of if you have kids. You don't. So again, fuck off. You're worthless.
Note that the mandate (if we look at Florida) is not that schools need to reopen part time, it's that they reopen five days a week for all students. This makes sense when you consider that if a school is open even part time that creates extra burden on the parents. But that means full class sizes and no staggering, which is idiotic.
I still haven't seen conclusive evidence that there is no kid to kid or kid to adult spread. I understand the argument that asymptomatic people are not coughing and spreading germs like symptomatic people, but they are still contagious, so I don't know why being a kid medically makes them less likely to spread germs when in every other circumstance they are more likely to spread germs.
We must -- I repeat, must -- pile the bodies of our sacrificed children high enough to catch God's attention.
I don't know how true it is, but a lot of people on Reddit were saying UH changed class lists yesterday from having rooms listed to just saying TBD, so we'll see. I won't be at all surprised if in a month what admin teams want to happen and what actually happens is completely different.
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Vaguely related, they just locked down a city in the UK because COVID-19 rates spiked in kids (after schools opened). I definitely wouldn't be comfortable as either a teacher or a parent right now... but then I can't speak for schools in the US, maybe they're not as overcrowded as they are in the UK.
Yeah no prizes for seeing where this is going. The worst of all worlds.
The schools will reopen, cases will spike even worse, ICUs will get more overloaded, then a few days or maybe weeks later, the schools will piecemeal close again state by state after everyone realizing it was dumb to open them up again in the first place.
All that will be achieved is a higher death toll and more chronically ill people.
What SD are you in? I work for one in WA which is why I ask. I have read White RIver's plan, but I am curious to see what other districts are doing. Mine currently has basically nothing yet to offer to us staff.
yep.
Honestly for the bigger universities, it'll probably only be a matter of days. Especially for universities that have 100-150 people lecture rooms.
That's being done in a lot of countries.
The problem is that those countries have generally handled the coronavirus spread extremely well. The risk of virus transmission a whole lot less. And even then the minute someone at a school catches the virus, it's instant lockdown.
I don't see how this is sustainable in the USA with little to zero efforts to flatten the curve and the adults generally speaking giving up. Like I said, opening up schools right now in the USA is ass backwards because it's legitimately a medieval plague in that country.
My district told us (and by us, I mean even admin (they found out the same time we did)) that parents have a choice between online or in person. We have no clue how that's actually going to look or work as far as teachers go (my school specifically was brand new last year, we were a little understaffed due to not having title 1 funds yet, so there's no way we can possibly put any more strain on ourselves if we don't get those this year either). The district sent out a survey 2 days later due to complaints about how we feel about that, but we haven't heard anything yet.
This whole situation is a mess.
In the two 3rd grade classes I taught last year I had 29 and 27 kids. The teacher across from me had 31 in her self contained class.
Growing up, my high school in it's most populated school had more than 4000 students.
We're also in Washington - Edmonds School District.
https://www.edmonds.wednet.edu/cms/One.aspx?portalId=306754&pageId=32604298
It's mind boggling how people somehow think kids, even teenagers, will be bastions of proper hygiene. It all reads like idealized thinking when reality is far different.
Have to agree man. You sound like someone who doesn't give a fuck about other people's kids.
There are 7000 kids infected in Florida alone
Not in the current environment, where new cases are growing in much of the country and distancing/PPE practices are not being observed, no, it's not. If you open schools now, there will be severe COVID-19 cases and a non-zero number of deaths. What's your acceptable number of child deaths to reopen schools so that parents can get back to work? 500? 1000? More?
I won't send my kids back yet. It's not worth the risk.
This.
As a high school teacher in FL, I can't wait for 80% of my students to disobey all the rules with regards to hygiene and distance and masks. Fuck.
I saw an Austin area school district giving parents the option of full time virtual or full time in class.
Not sure how you socially distance with 25 kids
Not sure how you socially distance with 25 kids
The push to re-start in-person schooling in the fall is directly motivated by the desire to send working parents and other working adults back to in-person work. Politicians and business leaders are not concerned about students' mental health or academic progress, they care about getting people back to work. The concern about re-opening schools is not just about the health risk to students, educators, school staff, and families. Re-opening schools means re-opening the economy and a return to normalcy. Does anyone think the United States specifically will be ready for that in two months? Look at Florida, Texas, and California.
Not to mention we are still learning about the health impacts of COVID-19 with a growing understanding of the potentially debilitating long-term symptoms of SURVIVING COVID-19 still coming into view. The United States is not in a position to safely send students back to school or adults back to work. This is capitalism sacrificing human lives and well-being for a return to economic normalcy in which those human lives were already not getting a fair shake.
Not to mention we are still learning about the health impacts of COVID-19 with a growing understanding of the potentially debilitating long-term symptoms of SURVIVING COVID-19 still coming into view. The United States is not in a position to safely send students back to school or adults back to work. This is capitalism sacrificing human lives and well-being for a return to economic normalcy in which those human lives were already not getting a fair shake.
As a single father working from home with a son about to enter kindergarten, the idea that they won't scares me to death. How do I teach and work at the same time?
Zero chance this doesn't kill a kid or a teacher. And when that happens, people will wish they'd just developed good online curricula. There's research out there from colleges of education on how to do online learning correctly.
I hope these schools/states that do this are ready for the lawsuits if it's ever mandatory.
I hope these schools/states that do this are ready for the lawsuits if it's ever mandatory.