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Trump Ordered to Turn Over 8 Years of Tax Returns to the Manhattan D.A.
- Thread starter Shard Shinjuku
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It's something to keep an eye on. Trump has been protecting his tax returns more than anything else and this is the first time his tax returns could be turned over without the possibility of the DOJ getting involved.
Mazar said they'll release them at 4pm on the day that they're ordered to release them.
Mazar said they'll release them at 4pm on the day that they're ordered to release them.
The problem with that framing is that it implies that these are all unconnected episodes and one thing hasn't lead to another. That everything he "slipped out of" before isn't culminating in all the things he's going into now.
It's like people who say that the Mueller investigation was "pointless" because Trump isn't in prison, despite SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE associated with it now serving prison time and millions of dollars recouped from the investigation.
Everyone likes to think it's a zero sum game. The president is under an official impeachment inquiry right now. That's neither the beginning, middle, or end of this sordid saga.
NPR seems to be reporting that he now doesn't have to release his tax returns
Because he appealed. The appeals court will probably decide within a week.
It's a temporary stay since it was appealed. DA asked for it to be ruled on very quickly (like a week).
I just burst out laughing and spilled iced coffee on myself. I hope you're happy.
Crazy thing is it's reasonable to say Trump has committed state, federal and international crimes. In a country and world that's supposedly governed by the rule of law - how can they not believe he'll eventually pay some sort of penalty?
There are too many NY politicians who will pursue him to the end to mage their careers for this to end after hes out of office.
Vance is one. He wants to run for NYAG and/or Governor and this is a hell of a resume builder.
I don't mean to imply the results of opportunism here are a bad thing.
His constant obfuscation and the intense desire to expose it only gets more baffling as time goes on. What could possibly be so damning in his tax returns other than possibly showing he's not as rich as he makes himself out to be and he he's a terrible at managing his business? That's not a secret or at least I don't see how his tax returns will move the needle for anyone.
He's also doing it because he's under the gun for his previous selling out, particularly in regards to Epstein:
(sorry for linking to NYPost)
I don't trust the guy, but I do trust Tish James and the other patriots. Hopefully they keep him on a short leash.
Additionally, the Mueller investigation is still "ongoing". It's just now split into more than a dozen other ongoing investigations, most of which are still completely redacted.
This is why it's important that the judiciary committee still tries to expedite the release of grand jury material. That's where Mueller's investigation currently hides.
For example, there's enough dirt in Trump's inauguration to spawn several independent special counsels.
Pretty good thread here, the judge basically tore the DoJ OLC opinion to pieces and says that there's no reason that a piece of paper that has never been tested in court could or should be used as a hollowed legal opinion. He also provided several hypotheticals as to why this immunity would be impractical to enforce, several of which could be be construed as directly relevant to the previous convictions by the Special Counsel and the ongoing litigation against Roger Stone:
This last couple of weeks is the beginning of the end... But for Trump... Or Democracy?
(I could be a sensationalist journalist, me!)
(I could be a sensationalist journalist, me!)
By forcing the issue the DoJ has actually put themselves in a bit of a predicament. The higher court judges could rule in their favor (I don't see how, given the previous opinions that the president was not immune to subpoena)...or they could say that it doesn't apply at all to state investigations (which would then make it open season for NY), or the Supreme Court could nuke the entire thing from orbit, which would put Mueller's charges on the table within the statutes of limitations.
I'd be really worried if this hit the supreme court. I mean, there are a COUPLE of sane-enough conservative judges that could swap to the liberal side on this, but it would be a nail biter.
Still, the risk of them nuking the entire memo would probably make DOJ hesitant to appeal further if they get struck down twice.
The post I was responding to pre-supposed they'd agree to expedite.
Quoting from poliera:
So things should be finished on the 21st.
So things should be finished on the 21st.
I almost wonder if there is something so bad in the returns that Trumps doing all this crazy shit because of this case and not impeachment.
It'd go to the Supreme Court. Which, even as fucked as it is, I doubt would rule that the President can't be investigated. They might go so far as to overturn the DOJ memo.
Provided if Supreme Court even takes up the matter. But if it does go to Supreme Court we probably won't hear about their ruling several months from now, correct?
If the current Supreme Court is the deciding factor, those tax returns will never be released. You can put all the legal arguments you want down. The GOP have defied gravity at this point to protect Trump. They're too deep in the hole to see daylight.
Considering he's always escorted by federal agents it would essentially be like calling "Order 66" to them while they protected him. Even ex-presidents have Secret Service for 10 years after they serve.
Former Presidents Act - Wikipedia
Edit: Typed "Code 66" and not "Order 66". Oops!
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You'd have to ask the IRS whistleblower that question. Someone at Treasury is running interference for Trump/Pence.
Nah. Roberts ain't destroying his legacy for Trump, and this argument is so basically insane that he wouldn't even be the only conservative to join the liberals.
Or it gives Trump an excuse to ignore future Russian aggression. Hes already made clear he doesnt trust foreign intelligence.