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Trump loses appeal of New York tax returns case
- Thread starter Shard Shinjuku
- Start date
'Total immunity of the executive' feels like something SCOTUS is not going to hear and let the lower court ruling stand.
The POTUS appealing a case to the Supreme Court (of which he appointed two seats) sounds like it would result in a major conflict of interest.
What's to stop him burning then or conveniently loosing them before they ever get handed over?
If I were the investigators I would storm the law office and take them before they have a chance to dispose of them.
If I were the investigators I would storm the law office and take them before they have a chance to dispose of them.
wait
he actually argued that as president he's immune to criminal investigation?
Am I reading this right, or is this a twist on words or...?
he actually argued that as president he's immune to criminal investigation?
Am I reading this right, or is this a twist on words or...?
There is only one more court to take this to, and I am not sure the SC would take this up in an election year. So this may stand.
Yep, and the man who loves beer and raping women will rule in his favor, along with his buddies.
Womp Womp š¤£
Is there anything he can do to appeal (ie stall the inevitable) or does he have to comply now?
Is there anything he can do to appeal (ie stall the inevitable) or does he have to comply now?
After Bush V. Gore, conflicts of interest mean nothing anymore.
Yeah, conservative judges or not, I don't think for a second the current SCOTUS wants that precedent set.
Yeah. The options they have are:
1) What you said. They refuse to hear it.
Or
2) They officially put on record that the president isn't immune to criminal charges and prosecution.
They would never rule differently than option 2, even the conservative judges.
Bush wasn't president when that whole debacle occurred, so there wouldn't be any issue there.
Unless Bush Sr. appointed people to the SCOTUS, but I'm too lazy to check lol.
It's not like these exist only in physical form, multiple entities have this data.
Clarence Thomas (sitting) and David Souter (retired, replaced by Sotomayor)
I would guess the SCOTUS upholds this on 7-2 or 6-3.
Putting aside the politics for a minute...
Thomas fundamentally agrees with the executive (Trump or otherwise)'s position here because he's an extremist on executive power.
Alito is out there and see Thomas from where he stands, but he's not as out there. Thomas is one pole on this spectrum.
I'd guess Kavanaugh joins based on his post-Clinton impeachment writings but not as confident as the other two.
With the rest voting to uphold the decision for the docs to get produced.
The president would basically be a king if they overturned the ruling. He would legally be allowed to do anything that he wants without any fear of repercussions. Not just Trump, but any president.
This is an odd question.
They are literally sitting on an internal server in multiple locations. Documents like these are rarely in physical only form.
What I'm more surprised is that one of the hacking groups hasn't tried to infiltrate yet and published them for shits and giggles.
This has been the argument for years. Mueller believed it too.
So, any future president or Trump himself could use such a ruling if it went in their favour this time for eternity hypothetically?
That's why I feel they would uphold this decision. They wouldn't want to grant that power to the opposing party.
The Federalist Society, who picks Republican judges by default, believes in the "unitary executive." Making him immune from prosecution is a basic qualification for getting nomination.
Yes. The office of the president would be immune from any criminal investigation of any kind.
Mueller very explicitly did not support the idea the president is above criminal investigation.
That's kind of absurd
Did they forget about watergate already? Even besides that, if the President was exempt from criminal investigation, that would allow them to get away with anything, right? I often think people are being extremely exaggeratory when people say Trump's a fascist but this is like....Trump basically saying he desires to be above the law. Which is pretty fascist-y.
In theory the supreme court is apolitical so it shouldn't pose any conflicts of interest. In practice.... Eh.
He said he can't be indicted for obstruction didn't he? Based on justice department guidelines.
The tax returns are being offered by his accounting firm. They've said they'll gladly hand them over once the courts agree to let them. Trump can't do anything about it, and you just know it's eating him up inside.
Indicted, yes. This latest argument from the administration is that he can't even be investigated.
People are not exaggerating when they are saying that. If Trump had the power to basically become king of the US he absolutely would utilize it.
Nixon was never tried for Watergate. He resigned because he was going to be impeached not because he was going to be indicted. And then Ford pardoned him post presidency.