Yes，if truly was about security with Pelosi then I'm backpedaling. I made that clear in an earlier post the CNN article and other I read did not leave that impression.
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Trump cancels Nancy Pelosi's overseas trip because he is a big baby, says if she still wants to go, she can fly commercial
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Yes，if truly was about security with Pelosi then I'm backpedaling. I made that clear in an earlier post the CNN article and other I read did not leave that impression.
Was the Senate not doing their job when the democrats refused to vote on Obamacare repeals passed by the House?
He will always drive a wedge but this time he cannot do it to their faces. He would have to do it alone in the WH with no one clapping to his lies.
If we had "NEWS" and not "media" this message would be broadcast/printed hourly.
There are more views for allowing Racists on CNN to play both sides though.
I don't blame motherless. Their view is likely a good # of people who aren't as, active, as the political community on Era is. Poll's are suggesting that the word is getting out, but the % would be much higher if we actually had news that was viewed by the public. Its ignorant sure, sure... but its an example of a failure in communication from the Democrats/Media. God bless AoC for putting in that next-gen work.
Which has all been the KGB/Russias plan for america. Rot it from the inside, no guns needed.
and if its not that,
well, we literally just have a moron wannabe king that we allowed into the office. Hes just such an idiot that everything he does aligns perfectly with our enemies desires.
Then he can. Despite the very serious security concerns, Pelosi has no reasons to allow Trump to come to her House and lie to the public about Democrats and her being responsible for an hour while the goverment is shutdown to the roaring applause of Republicans. Especially since HE is the cause of the shutdown and Republicans are refusing to bring any bills to the floor in the senate. He'd be lying about the State of the Union. He can give a speech from the oval office. That works.
That actually went up for a vote didnt it? Unlike the spending bills that haven't actually been put on the floor. Are you really trying to compare the two?
There's not even a negotiation going on. This is all on Trump and rich people like Ann Coulter who don't give two shits about the people suffering. Trumps negotiation is give me money with nothing in return. All this is just a blip compared to what real people are going through.
Are you referring to this? How is that equivalent? That was the GOP House trying to shut down a law which had been passed and approved by the Supreme Court, and they were willing to shut down the govt over it. In this case it's first Trump in December and now Mitch and Trump who are blocking govt from reopening. Mitch won't allow a Senate vote on something which already passed 100-0 in the Senate, and Trump won't sign it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/29/us-government-shutdown-house-delay-obamacare
No. Harry Reid blocked them from the floor. In both cases the Senate majority leader refused to hold a vote on a resolution that passed the House.
These are the rules folks. Stop complaining about them the second they don't benefit you.
Didnt that law already pass and the GOP were looking to repeal it despite not having veto proof? The spending bill would be veto proof.
Totally the same thing! I mean, wall, healthcare, I mean the bills were actually brought to the floor. And hey I remember a bipartisan bill being passed in both chambers and Obama making a demand until he got his way while shouting "I will happily own the shutdown and not blame Republicans".
Time is a circle...
pElOsI AnD TrUmP CoNtInUe tO Be rIdIcUlOuS AnD ChIlDiSh.. ThIs sHuTdOwN NeEdS To eNd.
LMAO
I think the problem is a lot of people think the world is a very simple place, when really, it isn't. That's probably Fox's fault.
Which is what republicans want. Sabotage the government, say how government fails and then privatize. Win for the 0.1% who control shit in our country pretty much.
Both sides though (/s if it wasn't obvious)
If the concern of Trump getting applause in the House outweighs the worry of pushing things even further apart by not letting him do it then I guess that's that. It surprises me that it would be the correct move though.
Nailed it. This is the GOP holding the entire country hostage over a fucking wall that won't even deter drug trafficking.
But the House did all they can do. And the Senate is refusing to move on it.
Edit: Is someone seriously comparing voting to strip insurance and thus killing/bankrupting many to blocking a vote to fund the government? Is someone seriously making that comparison lmao.
If you were against it happening then, you should be against it now if it really is the same thing.
Some people are DESPERATE for this to be on Democrats despite all information proving the contrary. Wonder why? I mean even if you agree the two things are exactly the same, lol, you'd also have to be admitting you're cool with both of them since two wrongs make a right and a wall is the same thing as healthcare.
I get you, but if you're already dealing with someone completely unreasonable it doesn't make sense to me keep poking with a stick, which is what I took Pelosis letter to be.
You can try giving him less attention but if there's anything the past few years as taught us is that he'll find a way to get it. Thinking you can ignore him is not the best way IMO.
Some people are still falling for the logic of "absolutely every move the Democrats make is a loss and just means Trump and the Republicans just got re-elected. You know despite the historic wins the Democrats just had.
I am sorry you are effected as well. I think people should get paid of course and that the wall negotiations (I am completely against the wall) should not be tied to peoples livelihoods.
Well standard measures don't work because the GOP Senate and Trump aren't acting like responsible adults. Might as well try throwing whatever at the wall at this point.
Are you serious. Here's the difference. Both moves the Dems made prevented or would prevent people dying, going bankrupt, or starving/going homeless.
Both moves the GOP made or are trying to make leads to more death, pain, bankruptcies, and starving.
Nah man that would pollute the ocean. Send him into Space.
That would be a declaration of war against the other intelligent life in the universe for sure. Automatic wipe.
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QUOTE="GoldenEye 007, post: 16977378, member: 311"]Are you serious. Here's the difference. Both moves the Dems made prevented or would prevent people dying, going bankrupt, or starving/going homeless.
Both moves the GOP made or are trying to make leads to more death, pain, bankruptcies, and starving.[/QUOTE]
No here is the difference, when the Republicans are refusing to vote on something you like you consider them as not doing their job but when the democrats do the exact same thing to a proposal you don't like you cheer and applaud.
Thats the only thing I'm pointing out here. If you want to remove the ability for the Senate majority leader to block a vote then ask for a resolution that eliminates that while you control the senate.
Both moves the GOP made or are trying to make leads to more death, pain, bankruptcies, and starving.[/QUOTE]
No here is the difference, when the Republicans are refusing to vote on something you like you consider them as not doing their job but when the democrats do the exact same thing to a proposal you don't like you cheer and applaud.
Thats the only thing I'm pointing out here. If you want to remove the ability for the Senate majority leader to block a vote then ask for a resolution that eliminates that while you control the senate.
I appreciate the sentiment. It's so frustrating. I feel terrible for people who have absolutely no savings right now.
Shutting down the government for a wall that only 30% of the country wants feels very much like one side bending me over. Especially when the house is working to pass bills that will never make it to the senate floor because of an obstructionist republican.
I know you're getting dogpiled for not being informed, but I do appreciate you responding to me civilly.
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And then a poster with 50 total posts leaped to the defense of the both sides guy and made generalizations about "people like you" on Resetera.
The senate is there to forward bills to the president. Then its his job to sign them or not.
The senate is not doing their job, and getting paid. Meanwhile they are also holding the country hostage for a total fucking moron. None of this is the same.
Literally has nothing to do with this thread. Nobody here was arguing what Obama did was right or talking about 2013. We're talking about the now and what Republicans are doing, whom are clearly at fault right now. Take your derailing both-sides crap elsewhere.
