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Trump Cabinet bible study leader claims U.S is experiencing "God's wrath" in regards to coronavirus, suggests LGBTQ people are partially responsible
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Oh yes, I know. My dad who is a theologian and has a doctorate in theology has argued that the religious extremists we have in the U.S. are similar to Islamic extremists, they are using a different method of pushing their religion upon others, the Islamic extremists are using terrorism to try to push their religious views upon others, while our religious extremists are using the political system in an attempt to push their views upon others.
My dad has argued that gays and lesbians would be accepted by Jesus himself due to the fact that nothing in the Bible actually condemned homosexuality.
He came to this ultimate conclusion after he spent an entire summer translating the Bible from its original language into English and made a determination that there was absolutely nothing in the Bible about homosexuality. My dad told me that the Bible has been mistranslated multiple times over the centuries. He said especially the verses in the Bible that same sex marriage opponents used to condemn gays and lesbians were mistranslated.
In a book he wrote, my dad stated the following:
That's not cool.
Everybody has a track record (sin).
Pointing fingers at LGBTQ people is like blaming voters for a shady government.
What about all the prosperity gospels in our nation's megachurches?
Or the racism that this still prevalent within churches across America?
ha.
We're so quick to criticize other people, but if we reveal the skeletons in our own personal closets? Hmmm.......
The hypocrisy is real.
I say this as a dude who believes in Jesus (may ruin my credibility for most folks)
Really? Did he every say which translations he believed to be sketchy and which were legit?
Everybody has a track record (sin).
Pointing fingers at LGBTQ people is like blaming voters for a shady government.
What about all the prosperity gospels in our nation's megachurches?
Or the racism that this still prevalent within churches across America?
ha.
We're so quick to criticize other people, but if we reveal the skeletons in our own personal closets? Hmmm.......
The hypocrisy is real.
I say this as a dude who believes in Jesus (may ruin my credibility for most folks)
Really? Did he every say which translations he believed to be sketchy and which were legit?
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He retranslated the entire Bible and found problems with the previous English translations of the Bible.
Lmao When the open unapologetic racist is right about evangelicals. Never thought I'd agree with anything this jackass had to say.They've been working toward this for a long time.
Even someone like Barry Goldwater was afraid of them.
Looks like? We are already there sir. They got in and is running the country now. Its already over.
This stuff is getting complicated.
I need a simple list of what and who is to blame for everything. So the gays are responsible for the China virus. Muslims and Mexicans are why America is no longer great (along with a very healthy dose of Obama). We have the blacks to blame for the corruption of our children with their drugs, rap music and fashion. Not even sure what is left for the liberals, I guess the media?
I need a simple list of what and who is to blame for everything. So the gays are responsible for the China virus. Muslims and Mexicans are why America is no longer great (along with a very healthy dose of Obama). We have the blacks to blame for the corruption of our children with their drugs, rap music and fashion. Not even sure what is left for the liberals, I guess the media?
Didn't you hear? God is using Corona to call his faithful home to paradise, so it's cool if you get it in church.
But he's also using it to murder sinners. He keeps it around because it's simultaneously a reward for good people and punishment for bad ones.
Except those passages are Old Testament, hence also in the Torah or did the Jewish people mistranslate their own text too? There are multiple arguments that could be made about why those laws exist and why they are not relevant anymore (since it's also the parts about diet, and infectious disease, I have always interpreted those rules as less "gods moral guidance" and more "we are a primitive desert tribe who worships a thunder god, so lets ban anything that could kill us or keep us from multiplying") but there is no denying it's part of Leviticus or Deuteronomy, whichever is the law book for wandering nomads.
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My dad got the original language text for the Bible and entirely retranslated the entire book into English. I haven't really spoken to him much about religion since I'm not that religious myself.
I was about to say, I expect health news from you not dogma minutiae 😆.
But I don't think either of us cares enough to really go back and forth, and the more important thing is your original post showing the inmates are still running the asylum.
I thought this was a Chinese made virus to destroy America? Unless they're saying China is god? 🤔
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Yeah, a problem I have with U.S politics is mixing religion with politics, I am not affiliated with any organized religion currently.
I was raised Roman Catholic however I no longer consider myself a Roman Catholic and this decision was made well before the sex abuse scandal.
The Roman Catholic Church has been historically misogynistic with not allowing women into leadership positions despite early Christian history shows there were women in religious leadership, homophobic due to their teaching about gays and lesbians and their stance that it's part of unchangeable church doctrine and killing off people who didn't fall into Roman Catholic thinking during The Crusades.
All things that are disgusting to me so I decided I no longer wanted to be associated with the Roman Catholic Church and I dislike how organized religion within the Republican side have become extremists and want to push their religious views on everyone else despite if they are religious or not, despite if they don't agree with what their religion taught them.
This might be the first time a spokesman for the White House said something that I actually believe.
They've been working toward this for a long time.
Even someone like Barry Goldwater was afraid of them.
evangelicals are more often than not the scariest bunch of religious fundamentalists I've come across. I firmly believe the lot of them in political office pray for the reckoning to come everyday and do everything in their power, politically, to help further their cause.
They shouldn't be offended. We tend to view things in a much more democratic and individualist context, but people forget that the exercise of religion and knowledge of its "mysteries" was historically reserved for priests, who served as representatives of a tribe/nation to the gods. They maintained the temples, and performed the sacrifices and other rituals to appease and succor favor with their particular gods. They were akin to modern corporate lawyers who work hand-in-hand with the C-suite.
It wasn't for the common person to have detailed, intimate knowledge of the gods and the mechanisms of the spiritual realm, other than to understand the broad outlines and their place within the cosmic order. For them, it would've been more of a cultural thing, and as long as they completed whatever rites were required of them, they were good to go. They were akin to modern day employees, who perform their roles, are informed of policies by management, and regularly receive communications from On High written in obtuse language about shit they have no control over and really don't care about other than how it personally impacts them.
Seems like a shake up.
Break the status quo and give folks a chance to reevaluate their lives/values (A come to Jesus moment).
Is that debatable? Sure. Many people are suffering and many others are stuck at home in their dysfunctional families.
Most people come from dysfunctional places due to "My way or the highway". Sounds familiar huh.
True character shines through during a crisis, not when everything is going great. This sounds like a wake up call to me.
A wake up call in almost every way. Whether you believe in everything or nothing. We are vulnerable people, and tomorrow is promised to no one.
Folks are finally calling up relatives they cut off over petty arguments.
Parents are actually taking the TIME to enjoy their kids.
Nasty people are finally taking up proper hygiene to boost their immune system.
Toilet paper has blossomed into THE hot commodity.
Bottom line:
2 types of people will walk out of this:
1. (Blessing in disguise) Strengthened bonds
2.(A curse in my salad) Bitter Fogies
So....many questions. So many. Many theologians claim the King James Version (KJV) is super inaccurate with the original text. Is that one of the translations he was pointing to?
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I don't remember Billy Graham saying it at the time but I do know Jerry Falwell was pretty unapologetically claiming this. Graham was also a bigoted piece of shit but I think he was a little more careful in protecting his personal interests, at least more than his shit stain kids.
It was all about a powerful new ally in their Culture WAAAAAUGHHH, then god worked in mysterious ways, then their carefully manipulated Section 501(c)(3) exemption got nullfied by a plague.
I hear tell Falwell Jr.'s down to only ONE pool boy!
I hear tell Falwell Jr.'s down to only ONE pool boy!
Considering most of evangelicals point to it as the only true translation of the Bible, yes.
Just another charlatan and huckster trying to grift more power. It's very dangerous and enraging though. This person needs to be isolated from any sort of power or influence.
On another note, if there were a god like this, which there isn't, but hypothetically, I'd still do everything I could to oppose it. Though I'd be smited in an instant, I'd still fight it rather than going along with such a shitty, terrible being. It's the same feeling I had reading the old testament.
On another note, if there were a god like this, which there isn't, but hypothetically, I'd still do everything I could to oppose it. Though I'd be smited in an instant, I'd still fight it rather than going along with such a shitty, terrible being. It's the same feeling I had reading the old testament.
People voted for this mentally unstable criminal and his party of deeply corrupt and fascistic bigots on the very grounds of scapegoating their problems on LGBTQ, racial minorities, and immigrants. This was not a secret, this was a surprise - this was the mission statement. Now they're getting what they wanted.
Voters and supporters actually do bear a measure of responsibility for their shady government.
There is no basis in reality that LGBTQ have anything whatsoever to do with this virus.
Not LGBTQ but amen and so true. So tired of hate for nonsense.
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Yup. I agree 100%.
I will flip that and say there's scapegoating towards these people too:
Basically everyone else is the problem except "me and my values...."
*Example: [[The people who agree with me? Yeah, they're great. Those who oppose my views? Dump them.]]
This is how most people think. Personally, I think that's the main issue.
The internal. But folks are way more comfortable pointing at the "them".
That's honestly why I'm personally glad I have a relationship with Jesus.
I've seen people's lives cleaned up, broken families repaired, relationships restored through the holy spirit.
I don't freak out over the "liberal agenda" nor "Trump's orange face".
That bible study leader sounds crazy. If they really believe sin exists, then they would know everybody will have to answer for their life choices.
Smart, dumb, introverted, extroverted, ambiverted, tall, short, fat, skinny, democrat, republican, independent, capitalistic, socialistic, communistic, gay, straight, lesbian, trans, bi, asian, african, caucasian, rich, poor, healthy, sick, etc etc.
So pointing fingers at a particular group of "thems"? Flat out unbiblical, and petty at best.
That's not how Jesus handled business, but people keep throwing his name in the mud.
I respect the skeptical folks more, because "at least" they're honest with their views and opinions.
The people who say they're evangelical or christian, and live double lives separate from what Jesus teaches is abysmal.
I've seen people's lives cleaned up, broken families repaired, relationships restored through the holy spirit.
I don't freak out over the "liberal agenda" nor "Trump's orange face".
That bible study leader sounds crazy. If they really believe sin exists, then they would know everybody will have to answer for their life choices.
Smart, dumb, introverted, extroverted, ambiverted, tall, short, fat, skinny, democrat, republican, independent, capitalistic, socialistic, communistic, gay, straight, lesbian, trans, bi, asian, african, caucasian, rich, poor, healthy, sick, etc etc.
So pointing fingers at a particular group of "thems"? Flat out unbiblical, and petty at best.
That's not how Jesus handled business, but people keep throwing his name in the mud.
I respect the skeptical folks more, because "at least" they're honest with their views and opinions.
The people who say they're evangelical or christian, and live double lives separate from what Jesus teaches is abysmal.
It feels like I'm working for Black Lives Matter. Getting mud from both sides:
Side A - The skeptical people who say your "platform" is trash, a waste of time, unnecessary, a nuisance, eyesore etc
Side B - The people who claim to rep your "platform", but say and take actions that completely contradict everything your "platform" stands for. They make you look bad. They make you look foolish. They ruin your "platform's" credibility. They diminish all the good your "platform" participates in. They spin and twist the message of your "platform" for their selfish agendas.
But. God is good. And, I'll keep shining the light on both sides. Skeptics and the Shady Manipulators alike.
Side A - The skeptical people who say your "platform" is trash, a waste of time, unnecessary, a nuisance, eyesore etc
Side B - The people who claim to rep your "platform", but say and take actions that completely contradict everything your "platform" stands for. They make you look bad. They make you look foolish. They ruin your "platform's" credibility. They diminish all the good your "platform" participates in. They spin and twist the message of your "platform" for their selfish agendas.
But. God is good. And, I'll keep shining the light on both sides. Skeptics and the Shady Manipulators alike.
Give me a break with this "both sides" shit.
The GOP's platform, even before Trump, has deeply identified with cruelty towards marginalized groups, and there's a whole lot of very convenient ignoring of their brazen and vocal history to paint their platform as anything them as anything but. There are literal fucking nazis in the white house and you want to find the fucking common ground? And then you wanna evoke Black Lives Matter? Convince me you're not fucking trolling.
Fun fact: the book of 1 John implies that the Antichrist is not a singular individual, but NUMEROUS individuals. And if you extrapolate this teaching across the last 2000 years, given that Jesus still hasn't returned (let alone returned shortly after the writing of 1 John like its author thought he would), that implies scores of antichrists have appeared since and have lead many people astray from Jesus's teachings. *insert big think emoji here.*
Also, our current day concepts of hetero/homosexuality didn't exist in the Roman Empire, and what the writer of those verses in several letters attributed to Paul was actually condemning was probably not consensual homosexual relationships, but rather the Roman practice of upper class men raping male slaves - including child slaves. Because it was seen as "uncouth" for a roman man of "high stature" to have sex with another man unless it took the form of domination. Yeah, shit was fucked up.