That's why the House shouldn't take it back for amendments. It's already passed both houses, a veto will be 100% on Trump. Could Biden pass it in January if Trump vetoes it and no amendments are made?
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That's why the House shouldn't take it back for amendments. It's already passed both houses, a veto will be 100% on Trump. Could Biden pass it in January if Trump vetoes it and no amendments are made?
Do Republicans even know what they want with 230? Because if they had any sense they would know that the current setup is exactly what makes their social media misinformation machine so effective. They've set it up as a boogeyman but don't understand what it even is. It's a super weak poison pill
Of course even now in this moment there's no political reason to spite the President short of doing something illegal on his behalf.
But I'm speaking to any potential congressperson who should fear his reprisal two years after he leaves office? Trump couldn't even whip his party to cut stimulus checks when his own ass was on the line, I struggle to see how he can be a kingmaker or retaliate politically with even less leverage.
I know AOC and Tilab have the amendment but it's gotta be 100% alone, make Republicans own blocking it against trump.
Trump's kingmaking didn't do anything in 2018. His hardcore followers really only love him.
its amazing they still dont get the 230 shit would be bad for them and not work out like they think
Nah... Only Parler trolls even know wtf he is talking about. Everyone understands $2000 > $600.
Yeah it means they'd be held liable on social media and world leader protection would be no more
Mitch doesn't want to start a war with trump this late in the game.
Why are his aides shocked? Haven't they tried to keep him from commenting as they were hammering a deal because from the very beginning, Trump wanted $2,000 as the baseline?
He was kept away so he couldn't torpedo the actual peanuts in the bill, so of course he attempts to torpedo it the second he's in front of a camera when talking about it. How the fuck are they ""shocked?""
When Trump is arguing the correct amount, an amount only a few have directly advocated for, something's fucked up. Ed Markey has been the only voice who has stayed hammering $2,000 and going further, suggesting recurring and retroactive payments.
I don't care about your legal mumbo jumbo, bottom line, I want to be able to exercise my god given constitutional right to sue Devin Nunes' Cow.
For almost the entirety of the pandemic, yes. There were even a few monthly stipend plans that basically paid people to stay home.
Yup meanwhile all their zealots will be sued into oblivion and Probally get parler taken down immediately. Lol
Yes but the optics and timing of the 'relief' bill (along with Trump's behavior) are creating a new opening.
Gotta attach those strings quick now that trump let the cat out of the bag!!!
Most have, and that was the normalized push, but we have Markey, Sanders, and Harris at one point supporting frequent $2,000 payments. The right thing to do has been there, for months.
And these dudes only give out $600 because polls in GA show people are blaming the GOP for no money at all...
So Trump is voicing what Dems have been pushing for months, but now it's his "idea".
He's such an asshole
This will be the reason the bill gets sunk. Republicans will try to stuff this through the process and the Democrats will strike it down. Then we go back to Republicans blaming Democrats for obstructing the bill.
It's very predictable and tiresome.
It would be nice if they could just push out the COVID assistance separate to all of this other stuff.
of course.
Dems (all of them) should be everywhere demanding 2k, this is the moment, along with not fucking over adult dependents.
It works I guess. People even here are first in line to bash Dems over Covid despite the fact they've been fighting for much bigger relief for months now without giving any credit to those efforts.
Republicans will become the party of working class populism (even PoC, as we saw already with PoC men this year) if Democrats don't do anything about it. Tulsi in 2024 is going to be a disaster for Kamala.
Yes. Democrats have proposed a range of solutions from $1200 one time payments and $600/w to $2400 monthly payments for everyone. Republicans have been comfy with saying $0 for everyone.
Holy leap of illogical faith Batman.
Not much Dems can do if despite them calling for wide relief almost nonstop, voters choose to ignore them to vote for people who don't want relief.
The hottest take I've ever read on this forum. Quite an accomplishment there...
And after there is civil unrest as pretty much all social media is removed and the internet as we know it ceases to exist, Republicans will somehow blame Democrats and much of the country will believe it. "Why didn't Democrats warn us what would happen?!"
Please.
A lot of what I've been hearing since this $600 shit got brought up is how much Republican Mitch Mcconnell sucks ass. Even from people who don't follow politics very closely... Free money talks.
These asshole cannnot ever be in a position to govern anymore. This shit is so bad
Dems need to just lean more into identity politics with their actual sound policy and they will be just fine. We got a record 81 million people out voting.
Def need to work on their messaging.
Nothing says working class populism like opposing labor regulations, low wages, low taxes on the rich, and unfettered corporatism.
Sad thing is, they know the people of America better than Democrats ever have.
I think Democrats so far are giving the right response to this shit. They're saying, "Okay, yeah. Let's do it," in order to either call a bluff or force a showdown between Trump and McConnell.
No matter what, this is reflecting poorly on the two Republican incumbents in Georgia, who were already campaigning on the success of the bill.
No matter what, this is reflecting poorly on the two Republican incumbents in Georgia, who were already campaigning on the success of the bill.
Name a single state that Tulsi won during the primaries.
Unfortunately that's the power of the presidency, in how our government is portrayed to the public. Similar to how every one says Trump cut them their first stimulus check, when in actuality it was Congress. It simply is what it is.
I don't mind too much as long as real good is done for constituents.
It's their identity politics Dems have been just spouting policy above peoples heads who clearly don't even know how the govt works. They just want to feel like the govt it gonna help put them ahead and THAT is why repubs are even remotely relevant. It's insane just how shit the avg American is but man Dems pretty much have to lean into the identity politics even more then have the policy to back it up which is what repubs don't have for anyone but the rich.
Nobody should be rooting for this shit, it is a poison pill for Democrats for a good reason I think.
The fact that you think Tulsi has a constituency indicates you're wildly misinformed about politics
Yeah this is a disaster for republicans lol. Now that number is out there and they don't do it. Dems have a winning issue in GA.
I'm def not rooting for it. It's stupid but the damage is probally worse for repubs.
Yeah, AOC's (and Pelosi!) responses are the correct ones. Get caught trying to give people $2000 and make Mitch the bad guy (because we all know this has less than like a 5% of passing).
The reason Trump gained popularity among the working class was because he took the Republican position for years of Dog Whistle Racism, and evolved it into blatent, "even the dumbest person in the back row gets it" racism. I think it's going to be harder and harder to replicate this in the future, as you can't just run back the same idea, you need to continue to evolve it.
Even the most ardent GOP zombie would have trouble accepting the DEMS are the ones stopping free money to the 'poor and lazy'. So I am confused at how they get left holding the $2k bag if it doesn't pass as many claim.
Yep. Racism like that only works once and racism itself has evolved over the decades to survive need new boogie men and women to keep the crap going
Fuck this cunt. He had all the time in the world to make a difference and NOW he works up the nerve? He can eat shit along with senate republicans.
So we probably won't get anything? Everything is always a fucking game and days feel like weeks with how this shit show has gone these last four years but especially this last year
If Trump is doing this because Pelosi thought $600 was a good idea, Democrats should've started using reverse psychology a long time ago.
Only because that's what they figured they could actually get away with pushing. There has been plenty of democrats in support for $2000 payments they just don't pursue it because they know the GOP wouldn't even entertain the idea.