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Lothars

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yah. Its really weird especially those who haven't been following Canadian politics all that closely.
I get people are upset by the picture, heck I think it's not acceptable and he deserves to be called out about it but I also have seen what he's done and that tells me he's changed. I also get not liking him but again he's better than most of the other options.
 

Mozendo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pacific North West
Has Trudeau spoken about racism in Canada since the protests have happened?
If not I feel like he's doing the bare minimum, and as a leader of a country that's not good enough.
 

ItIsOkBro

Happy New Year!!
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Oct 25, 2017
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Agreed. I don't understand why some people are so bothered by that.

If it's a cheap derail about another topic sure, I understand getting annoyed by that, but the topic is literally about black lives.
the protests are about a real issue of police violence against black people in Canada and I'm pretty sure you haven't spared a single thought about that in your several posts here so you tell me if Trudeau brownface is a distraction or not
 
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Initially Severe Impact of Blackface Fades, Suggesting Unsettled and Volatile Electorate

[Ottawa – September 23, 2019] The images of Justin Trudeau donning blackface makeup seemed to have had a significant but short-lived impact on the electorate. Just one in four Canadians (28 per cen…



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Thanks. I wonder if it matches up more with party lines than what they really think but it's interesting anyways.
 

Leeness

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Oct 27, 2017
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Really proud of him and the ministers out with him.

And yes, this is the "answer to Trump". He doesn't have to say anything, he's showing exactly what he thinks about everything going on.
 

chrominance

Sky Van Gogh
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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't really give a shit about the blackface. What I care about is whether Trudeau, as the Prime Minister of Canada and the leader of government, will actually do something about police brutality and racism in the force besides take a knee? Symbolic solidarity is great and all, but for a person in his position, that needs to be backed up with action.
 

iiicon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Canada
A sitting government has no place participating in protests against policies they uphold, particularly a government that very recently and publicly oversaw a standoff between police, indigenous land defenders and their supporters while fueling racist sentiments in the public in an attempt to turn public support against the indigenous population. I hope my fellow Canadians experience a political reawakening similar to what's happening in America where they see supposed allies in the form of liberal lawmakers use empty gestures like this while providing material support for state violence.
 

djkimothy

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Oct 27, 2017
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A sitting government has no place participating in protests against policies they uphold, particularly a government that very recently and publicly oversaw a standoff between police, indigenous land defenders and their supporters while fueling racist sentiments in the public in an attempt to turn public support against the indigenous population. I hope my fellow Canadians experience a political reawakening similar to what's happening in America where they see supposed allies in the form of liberal lawmakers use empty gestures like this while providing material support for state violence.

The police stand offs were the result of the provinces. The federal government does not deploy the RCMP for these things. Those were provincial matters.
 

Rocket Man

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good on Trudeau for going. Anyone that's been following the last 4 years knows he's not racist... especially after that trash we had before 2015.

Canada needs to do way wayyy better for the first Nations. It's sad that most of the focus is on the pipeline when they're brought up...some of their communities barely have running water
 

iiicon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Canada
The police stand offs were the result of the provinces. The federal government does not deploy the RCMP for these things. Those were provincial matters.
They were federal matters. The government has a duty to uphold s. 35 and could have intervened to stop the invasion of unceded land from the RCMP but failed to. The idea that Trudeau's hands were tied are unsatisfactory when he was coordinating with provinces and the rail industry for the duration of the protests. This doesn't absolve the provinces - John Horgan has his own set of issues and should equally be criticized for the empty gestures he's offered this week - but it does show that Trudeau will protect the interests of the state when called to, which is why this show of solidarity is completely empty.
 

djkimothy

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Oct 27, 2017
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They were federal matters. The government has a duty to uphold s. 35 and could have intervened to stop the invasion of unceded land from the RCMP but failed to. The idea that Trudeau's hands were tied are unsatisfactory when he was coordinating with provinces and the rail industry for the duration of the protests. This doesn't absolve the provinces - John Horgan has his own set of issues and should equally be criticized for the empty gestures he's offered this week - but it does show that Trudeau will protect the interests of the state when called to, which is why this show of solidarity is completely empty.

The RCMP is an arms length organization from the federal government. We don't live in a dictatorship, Trudeau can't order them around (cue JWR). BC has a contract with with the RCMP, they were operating on BC's directive. Ontario's police is coordinated with Ford. I'm not sure what you wanted them to do.
 

ThisIsBlitz21

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Oct 22, 2018
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I don't understand why the PM joins either this or the climate strikes. Does he realize that theyre protesting to him, the governments themselves, right?
 

RamsesGod43

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Sep 28, 2019
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Please, this is just another photo-op. So he doesnt have to do anything. Some how he survived the black face scandal because if it was a politician not named Trudeau he wouldn't have survived. The groping of women in the past is another. His party was the majority of power in Canada's history and they committed atrocities against natives. To this day it happens. He dismissed and had a native protestor escorted out during one of his rallies/dinners. He is not genuine.
 

djkimothy

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Oct 27, 2017
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LOL. Man. Where were you guys in the Canada poli thread.

It looks like the protest might be done. There's a huge thunderstorm that rolled into town.
 

Android

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Oct 28, 2017
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Vancouver
Exactly and then forces his pipeline (yes the federal government owns it, never forget that) through these peoples sacred lands, cause...economy. Fuck the enviroment, fuck First Nations rights. The man is the Kardashian of politicans. It's all only for likes and praise without any real change or rocking the boat. As Al Sharpton said he wasnt going to take 21 seconds to call out Trump like Trudeau did. There is nothing of substance there. Has he said anything about the two incidents in our country?
(For reference in 6 federal elections I've voted Liberal 4 times and NDP twice)
 

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,146
Greater Vancouver
I'll give it a little bit to see some policy changes be presented. If nothing comes of it I will call this out. I'm just not cynical enough to see this as a bad thing when you compare it to whats happening south of the border with their leadership.
Trump cannot be used as some standard of leadership. The bar cannot be allowed to be that low.

If the next Republican leader rolls in, able to speak coherently and not make an ass of himself on social media, are people just going to start acting like the GOP are "really pulling it together" even when they stand for all the same cruel monstrous shit they always have? Demand better from leaders.
 

LookAtMeGo

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Oct 25, 2017
7,136
a parallel universe
Trump cannot be used as some standard of leadership. The bar cannot be allowed to be that low.

If the next Republican leader rolls in, able to speak coherently and not make an ass of himself on social media, are people just going to start acting like the GOP are "really pulling it together" even when they stand for all the same cruel monstrous shit they always have? Demand better from leaders.
How many other world leaders are out showing support for this? Genuine question, I have no idea. Still a stark contrast
 
Oct 25, 2017
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the protests are about a real issue of police violence against black people in Canada and I'm pretty sure you haven't spared a single thought about that in your several posts here so you tell me if Trudeau brownface is a distraction or not
Like I already said.
You either appreciate the gesture or find it disingenuous. I actually appreciate the gesture, with some side eye because this story is a political cartoon that writes itself.

Back in this thread AGAIN simply because people can't or refuse to read properly.
 

ncsoft

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Dec 11, 2017
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Question, is there a single world leader aside from Trudeau that has stood with the protesters and perform such a gesture?
If not, how is Trump the "standard of the leadership" that he is compared to and not every other leader of the other countries, please explain what they have done that places them a notch above Trudeau.
 
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ncsoft

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Dec 11, 2017
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If the next Republican leader rolls in, able to speak coherently and not make an ass of himself on social media, are people just going to start acting like the GOP are "really pulling it together" even when they stand for all the same cruel monstrous shit they always have? Demand better from leaders.
This is completely irrelevant, however coherent the next Republican leader may be, they are not Trudeau and their policies would in no way be comparable to the Canadian Liberals, Justin Trudeau is not another a version of Trump who is more coherent.

I am not saying people shouldn't be demanding better from him, but your comparison makes no sense to me, and as of this moment, Trudeau is a leader that is significantly better in every way compared to south of the border.
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
40,146
Greater Vancouver
How many other world leaders are out showing support for this? Genuine question, I have no idea. Still a stark contrast
The ones "showing support" can do so forwarding policy change to combat ingrained systemic injustice. There are enough cases of police brutality and apathy towards the plights of marginalized communities in Canada (prominently Indigenous groups).

If Trudeau goes home with the intent of doing the work to affect change, then great. But just being in the crowd is not enough.
This is completely irrelevant, however coherent the next Republican leader may be, they are not Trudeau and their policies would in no way be comparable to the Canadian Liberals, Justin Trudeau is not another a version of Trump who is more coherent.

I am not saying people shouldn't be demanding better from him, but your comparison makes no sense to me, and as of this moment, Trudeau is a leader that is significantly better in every way compared to south of the border.
Please tell me where I have suggested "Trudeau is just Trump!"
 
Oct 25, 2017
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On another note


Smh, what is Trudeau supposed to do about Trump? Hate these kinds of clowns

I do respect that he is willing to go into the fires tho, between stuff like this and his town halls where he allows hecklers in


these people are stupid.

they have zero clue what would happen if Trudeau went after Trump directly.

we're fucking CANADA, we can't play "tough guy" to anybody without the BACKING of the USA.

so standing up to the USA?

death sentence.
 

LookAtMeGo

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Oct 25, 2017
7,136
a parallel universe
The ones "showing support" can do so forwarding policy change to combat ingrained systemic injustice. There are enough cases of police brutality and apathy towards the plights of marginalized communities in Canada (prominently Indigenous groups).

If Trudeau goes home with the intent of doing the work to affect change, then great. But just being in the crowd is not enough.

Please tell me where I have suggested "Trudeau is just Trump!"
And who is doing this? (Showing support through policy changes). It at least appears to me that he is out there to show support and is listening. That would be a good first step, no?

I understand skepticism but I am having a hard time finding this to be a bad thing or an example of poor leadership.

Would people have been happier if he had not showed up at all?

Yeah actions speak louder than words but to me this is action. Now let's see where he goes from here.
 

ncsoft

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Dec 11, 2017
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Please tell me where I have suggested "Trudeau is just Trump!"
You replied to a statement stating that Trudeau's leadership is significantly better than south of the border with "the standard of comparison cannot be trump", and then proceeded to say that a more coherent republican politician could mislead people into thinking they are "pulling it together", which admittedly is a fair point; however, this is not a good parallel to "we should demand more from Trudeau", because Trudeau and Republicans who are more coherent are not good parallels.

You don't have to directly say something for the implications to come through, we should always demand more from Trudeau, but his leadership is also significantly better than south of the border. Also, since I haven't seen evidence of leaders of other nations standing with protesters to make such a gesture, in that regard, Trudeau is not really being compared to "the low bar" but is also being compared (favorably) to many other leaders across western countries.
 
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You replied to a statement stating that Trudeau's leadership is significantly better than south of the border with "the standard of comparison cannot be trump", and then proceeded to say that a more coherent republican politician could mislead people into thinking they are "pulling it together", which admittedly is a fair point; however, this is not a good parallel to "we should demand more from Trudeau", because Trudeau and Republicans who are more coherent are not good parallels.

You don't have to directly say something for the implications to come through, we should always demand more from Trudeau, but his leadership is also significantly better than south of the border. Also, since I haven't seen evidence of leaders of other nations standing with protesters to make such a gesture, in that regard, Trudeau is not really being compared to "the low bar" but is also being compared (favorably) to many other leaders across western countries.
Nah, you definitely took a leap with that one.
 

Annubis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Everyone complaining here better have a selfie of themselves at their local BLM march.
 

Maximus

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (1 month): Dismissing concerns around blackface over multiple posts
Seriously. I'm getting really fucking annoyed at some people in this forum.

Fuck your purity tests. This man has proven, through his actions, time and time again, that he's far outgrown that shameful moment. Fucking let it go. You were never an edgy, idiot teenager?

Let people grow. We are all of us greater than our worst moments.

Agreed. There are people here that just are never satisified. It's fucking annoying and a disgusting state of mind.
 

LookAtMeGo

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Oct 25, 2017
7,136
a parallel universe
On the scale on inanity, this is just below cops kneeling.
If police had made progress in gender equality, legalized Marijuana and made climate change a top priority, I might take a knee from them a little more seriously. The point is that Trudeau has accomplished some good in his last term and if he is out there getting involved with this then the chances of him coming through with something of any substance deserves ateast a tiny bit of good faith. Equating this to cops taking a knee is disingenuous IMO

These are all things people wanted. Yeah electoral reform was a broken promise but Im not even mad about that personally.

And demanding more is never a bad thing.

I cant speak of his relationship with FN people but anecdotally my friends who are FN say the whole pipeline thing was pretty bad.

He definitely needs to take this moment to address reconciliation as well.
 

KarmaCow

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Oct 25, 2017
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If police had made progress in gender equality, legalized Marijuana and made climate change a top priority, I might take a knee from them a little more seriously. The point is that Trudeau has accomplished some good in his last term and if he is out there getting involved with this then the chances of him coming through with something of any substance deserves ateast a tiny bit of good faith. Equating this to cops taking a knee is disingenuous IMO

You're right I was being unfair since cops tried to turning kneeling into a farce and I don't think Trudeau is being ingenuine. If he backs it up, all the better but it still rubs me the wrong way seeing politicians joining in protests about things they have the power to affect.

edit: thought ultimately it doesn't matter what I think, it's up to the people at the protest whether they think it was worthwhile
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Agreed. There are people here that just are never satisified. It's fucking annoying and a disgusting state of mind.
See it's like I don't want to keep bringing it up, but then you guys just keep posting this dumb stuff.

The post you're quoting downplays the fuck out of Trudeau's thing and equates it to a teenagers mistake despite him doing more than times than he remembers in his LATE 20s, older than I am now, but sure I was a "dumb teenager" once. Me criticizing that rightfully doesn't make me pro cancel culture incapable of forgiving anything.

It continues to be an even lazier version of the same speech. "I said he's changed, so everyone must let it go because it's been years."