"What if 10 people all break into my home? How am I supposed to mow them all down??"
This is good news but I can picture the Facebook comments right now. Good thing I stay away from that.
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Trudeau announces ban of 1,500 models and variants of military-grade assault weapons
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"What if 10 people all break into my home? How am I supposed to mow them all down??"
This is good news but I can picture the Facebook comments right now. Good thing I stay away from that.
I think I just worded mine a bit awkwardly, but I think we definitely are saying similar things.
Man, the members of my shooting range are burning down the facebook group.
If there ever is a time where I question me belonging there, it is now.
I go there so I can make sure that I hit that Turkey once or twice a year but shooting really is the identity of some of these people.
What a clusterfuck it would be to write "I'm OK with this ban" into that group chat.
If there ever is a time where I question me belonging there, it is now.
I go there so I can make sure that I hit that Turkey once or twice a year but shooting really is the identity of some of these people.
What a clusterfuck it would be to write "I'm OK with this ban" into that group chat.
My point was that if bolt-action hunting rifles (.308) are allowed, why single out the mosin?
Was hoping he'd move to include hand guns, but i see we''l have to wait for cities to work through their own measures (C'mon John Tory!).
Edit: I'm also sure some members of my family who really identify with gun ownership will be livid, and I'll just smirk the whole time. Their arguments aren't sound and they aren't constitutionally guaranteed shit.
Edit: I'm also sure some members of my family who really identify with gun ownership will be livid, and I'll just smirk the whole time. Their arguments aren't sound and they aren't constitutionally guaranteed shit.
The fact that regular people can get access to them anywhere is terrifying
Is there a complete list somewhere? I saw it's supposed to be on the Canada Gazette but it doesn't seem to be loading (likely overwhelmed).
I bet there will be a ton of cheap Canadian guns heading stateside soon. Wonder what the laws on that are?
I bet there will be a ton of cheap Canadian guns heading stateside soon. Wonder what the laws on that are?
I totally hear you. In a vacuum, I would be pro certain gun rights, because I grew up in the UK knowing sensible gun owners. There was no gun culture, just grim old country folk shooting skeet and game. But over the years, North American gun culture made me hate guns. If I saw a handgun outside a movie as a kid, I thought target shooting. If I see one as an adult, I think Purge.
I know two sensible gun owners right now - they have shotguns for hunting, and would never advocate for carrying a firearm for self-defense. All the other gun owners I know are gay-hating, bible-touching, conservative-voting dicks, who live in small rural communities, and who like putting tannerite in old cars and then filming themselves shooting it with sniper rifles. I also know one very urban guy who's just a bit mentally ill/paranoid/conspiracy-theory-believing, and so naturally has handguns.
Buying a gun here in Canada is already pretty hard. You need a licence that requires attending a class to purchase long guns for hunting, and then you need a restricted firearms license to buy handguns etc. which requires taking a separate course. Count me as also not knowing big crazy soldier action movie guns were legal here. Glad they're not anymore.
Oh shit, you know that was very intentional as fuck.
That's a nuke level mic drop.
Well put!
I'm originally from Germany and owning guns is very similar there (or felt similar).
Talked to a german hunter and the amount of money and work it takes to get that license is crazy. They also HAVE to shoot silenced. Because a silencer is just a tool to make their work less annoying. And not a crazy safety thread like it would be in the US.
That connection of owning guns = freedom (love for the country, Jesus) is one of the shittiest things. Those people won't shut up about the "pussyfication" of the world while also clinging to their military guns in terror. The silliest thing of a "prepper" mentality. The fact that they want to build a bunker instead of helping make the village work better.
If we're just posting reddit comments... here's another..
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It's a key part of the illusion sold to them that they're "free".
That's fair. I haven't looked at the details of this law at all, nor do I have the background knowledge to speak intelligently about this either.
But that's not the argument I was responding to. I was responding to "Making things illegal is pointless because criminals don't stop doing illegal things just because it's against the law", which is a ridiculous argument that pops up all the time in gun control debates.
The argument in the posts you quoted is "Gun control is good, but the specific implementation of this new law has issues". That's different.
Haha, my reddit points are going into the basement because I wrote that I'm OK with the ban.
Angry right wing dudes that don't understand why no one has their back.
Angry right wing dudes that don't understand why no one has their back.
Didn't the cold blooded killer tpyically also choose to use hihgh powered rifles with rapid firing mechanisms and large capacity magazines tho? Like, a choice, kind of a deal? And therefore went to retail with those choices available? So wouldn't sensible legislation impact the choices cold blooded killers make?
I'm so god damn tired of this argument, it is so incredibly stupid.
Alcohol control seems to work well, so does tobacco control, as does drivers license control, and on and on.
We restrict all kinds of things and guess what, that shit works. These are also the people that would support abortion control.
Yeah, they pretty much come from that. I knew someone who bought a Dragunov sniper rifle in the States or something.
This is good news, for sure. Though when they say "fair compensation" I am imagining Gamestop-tier trade-in values. 😂
I'm in no way defending these right wing assholes and I completely agree with the bans, I would even go so far as banning every single firearm, period.
However, I think the gun used in the Nova Scotia incident was bought illegally anyway, and most incidents that have occurred in Canada were with stolen/smuggled weapons from the US.
But obviously this new law imposes further limits, which is still a good thing, and a net positive.
TBH I wasn't really talking about that specific incident or even Canada. Just the idea that Z"choices kill people" somehow being disconnected with the types of choices they have.
Arbitrarily? Gotta pick something if arguing by example. That's what an example is.
Oh yea, no argument there!
Refuting that availability has no effect is the stupidest thing.
But "moneis".
Yeah, became illegal from the moment of announcement. I imagine those rushing to buy don't realize this until it's too late.
"Muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules (sniper rifles)"
Won't that cover a lot of hunting rifles? A sniper rifle is essentially just a hunting rifle with perhaps different aesthetics.
Trying to ban specific models is useless.
They should go broad but simple and just ban semi-automatic fire, ban high-capacity magazines, ban all muzzle devices except muzzle brakes, and ban handguns. Just straightforward, instead of trying to ban specific models and features which gun owners and industry will find loopholes around.
US doesn't even need to do this to reduce deaths.
Accidents and suicides can happen with any gun and account for carnage on an incredible scale - both would be massively impacted by mandatory gun locks and elimination of gun show loophole and addition of cool down periods in states that don't have them.
A bigger issue is something we saw in 911 - the inadequate matrix of shared information.
Guess how many Police Departments there are in the US?
Did you guess 500?
A thousand?
Two thousand?
You definitely got it wrong, because the actual answer is:
We don't know.
The US cannot actually count how many Police Departments there are - there's no official count, no national registry and so the idea of those same departments sharing info about felons, angry boyfriends etc, is currently comical.
IMO , penalties for illegal weapons trafficking should be increased 10 folds
Doubt it. From the article:
There are 105,000 firearms currently classified as "restricted" that will now be classified as "prohibited."
Amazing. Sadly it will go over the head of the people it's aimed at, as they're often lacking the mental faculties for subtlety.
Side note - the Punished Trudeau meme is so good. Well done Canada.
Oof, sold my AR15 just in time lmao. While it's great that they're doing this, it's still a pretty half assed go at it, and shows that the liberals still don't quite grasp what they need to do, but they're getting there.
There's still A LOT of legal semi auto rifles that are just as lethal as the ones they're banning. They did the same thing with the last big gun ban, they arbitrarily banned a random mish mash of guns and left a bunch of legal analogues to those guns. Like they banned the AK pattern rifles but left the vz58 (until now) which is different in design but functionally the same, that being a semi auto magazine fed rifle.
They need to ban ALL semi auto rifles. Guns aren't like they are in video games where some are "more powerful" than others, they're all equally deadly. There's a lot of semi autos still legal after this that fire the same round as the AR.
There's still A LOT of legal semi auto rifles that are just as lethal as the ones they're banning. They did the same thing with the last big gun ban, they arbitrarily banned a random mish mash of guns and left a bunch of legal analogues to those guns. Like they banned the AK pattern rifles but left the vz58 (until now) which is different in design but functionally the same, that being a semi auto magazine fed rifle.
They need to ban ALL semi auto rifles. Guns aren't like they are in video games where some are "more powerful" than others, they're all equally deadly. There's a lot of semi autos still legal after this that fire the same round as the AR.
That has nothing to do with people smuggling guns in. Criminals aren't going to be like "well damn I guess we can't smuggle anymore because those guns are illegal now." That's just not how it works. Something like 80% of crime guns in Toronto come from the US. The fact that our government still refuses to do anything about arms trafficking really bothers me.
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I get what you are saying and I don't disagree. I was making a different point that there doesn't seem to be much of a demand for those weapons in general for Canada.
That's a shockingly low number compared to the states and definitely indicative of that societies relationship with firearms.
Did these spree shooters the article mentioned have stolen guns? Or were they legal?
The recent one the shooter didn't have a license and ilegally acquired his guns, the shooter in 2017 iirc who killed those kids had a pistol smuggled from the states. Most shootings here have been with illegally acquired guns. I think the Moncton one was licensed but I can't quite remember. But it's known at this point that weapon smuggling is a thing, usually guns brought over to arm gangs and the like. The punishment for it is pitiful too, a person got caught snuggling a bunch of handguns a few years ago and only got 4 years which seems like a slap on the wrist considering they could have been arming a mass murderer.
Yup. And this is what I mean by the libs half assing this. They banned a bunch of expensive typically $1000+ semi auto rifles, but don't think to ban the $300 semi auto rifle that fires the powerful 7.62x39 round, like what?