Right, both of which moved the industry forward like only Kojima can do.
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Troy Baker: 'Death Stranding will be a statement. Kojima is trying to move the medium forward, not just trying to move copies'
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The impact and influence Metal Gear Solid had on the industry is undeniable.
I wouldn't feel comfortable personally making a claim like that while admitting I never finished one of his games.
i mean it's simply a case of people being uncomfortable w/ other ppl's fervor yeh? saw the same thing with undertale's release where the loud love from ppl that played it began to be addressed w/ kind of intense hate, or even a weirder example jennifer lawrence's status on reddit lmao, where ppl loved her and then hated her the next year because they felt "saturated" w/ lawrence content lol. it is good to question something that ppl seem to go gaga over w/ no restrictions imo, tho some ppl devolve into just churning out hate against something because they think ppl like it too much.
Neither were particularly influential or moved the industry forward despite the critical reception compared to other titles released during the same time periods. TW3 influence in the AAA space was very evident just a mere two years after release with AC:Origins, Horizon, and even Nier Automata's devs all going on record saying they were influenced by it. So far, the only instance of MGSV influencing a title was that AC:O had a pseudo reflex mode that didn't really affect the game all that much while it's other major influences were stuff Ubi's other studios were already doing, (Far Cry for example). But all three of those games were also influenced by other titles as well, not just TW3. Moving the industry forward is not something a single director can really do unless they create a new genre and I thought that Death Stranding, "strand game" name aside, will be the one to do that. Especially if the strand game effect is just iteration on existing ideas.
I know, but so was GTAIII or Doom, yet I've never seen anyone speak so highly of the Housers or John Carmack (while the latter is an actual genius lol).
I'm not saying "Kojima sucks donkey balls", I just don't understand the hype surrounding him as a person given his more recent output (i.e. MGSIV and V, the former which I didn't finish because I simply found it too much of a slog), that's all. I enjoyed MGSV's gameplay, I didn't care much for its story (I didn't continue it out of time constraints), but I never thought it pushed the medium forward. It was, from what I've played, a great stealth game with a so-so story.
You see what you want to see. The people getting angry over something he didn't even say and how it's a jumping off point to say how he's not made anything good in a decade and he should fuck off or people losing their mind because they don't know what easiest means and how him not wanting to make those games is outrageous, is all here to see, I'm not reading threads for you. Bye.
lol if im fanfictioning
there will definitely be parts where you drop your boxes but the STRAND comes through and someone helps you pick all your shit up, and you're just like "fuck my life and everything about it, but at the same time I'm grateful for the presence of others", then the credits play.
man im so excited
How would you expect that? Usually the way this forum goes that if a game doesn't get 9s or 10s than the majority of people don't care. Not every game has to win game of year awards to achieve something.
I just love when someone makes statements like this because i know the Era thread will always be full of posters fuming lmao.
Era always on the humble pie haha you show a bit of confidence on the product you worked on, automatically you're persona non grata.
MGSV had Quiet
Death Stranding has Fragile
I'll take bets on the name of the lead woman in Kojima's next groundbreaking IP starting now
Death Stranding has Fragile
I'll take bets on the name of the lead woman in Kojima's next groundbreaking IP starting now
That's an idiotic statement. Are games somehow a lower form of art? You sound like a boomer ffs.
Both great games, both sold well and both reviewed well.
Kojima now wants to move things forward, his past work has nothing to do with it really, although his past games have tons of interest ideas and concepts. Kojima is free of Metal Gear now and is looking to do something different, so who's to say he doesn't push things in a new direction.
I really hope he can pull it off because I'm getting bored of seeing so many shooters and big open world games with tons of repetition and less original ideas with each new game.
Isn't Fragile the name of the company the woman works for not her actual name. Like how Reedus' character has Briggs in his name because that's who he works for.
I think it will be a lot more relatable than people are speculating. It will still be a game where you control a guy running around world.
Tbf, MGSV has a 93 on Metacritic. And Kojima's name carries a lot of goodwill even among reviewers. Not saying that reviewers are gonna be extremely bias but this could be a divisive game among critics and gamers.
I am just so happy things turned out in a way that he dropped Metal Gear completely and creates new IPs
Thanks for you constructive criticism.
Yes, games are a lower art form. If this game ends up in the MoMA I'll eat my underwear.
Hope this gets game of the year and has like a 99 on metacritic just so I can see all the koji-haters cry, again. Ill have a good ass time with the game probably even if its not my type of game atleast its going to be unique.
lmaoooo
the thread in a nutshell.
The Boss is still one of the greatest lead woman in the medium
To be fair, influence isn't something that a developer can control; I don't think there's anything wrong with attempting something new, even if it doesn't end up setting the world on fire (the Nemesis system in Mordor). Although, I don't think any developer would say that they aren't actively trying to innovate either.
I mean the nemesis system was the inspiration for the mercenary system in AC:Odyssey. I think it's just saying that unlike a lot of other titles, even some that were less successful commercially, mgsv didn't really have a large influence or "move the industry forward." You're right that devs don't control influence, i'm not sure Miyazaki ever expected the Souls series to become as big and influential as it did, to the point where even the standard for melee controls has slowly but surely shifted to something closer to souls on top of clear efforts to make games a bit less forgiving.
You know, it's entirely possible to be proud of your work without flaunting it as the most ambitious thing to happen since the invention of computers. If history is anything to go by, creators who hype themselves up to this extent don't usually deliver on their promises. It does come across as pompous and a little tiresome, specially when the marketing campaign is intentionally designed to show absolutely nothing of substance about the product. This is probably going to be a good ass game, but its "revolution" will most likely end up being a polished iteration of tried-and-true concepts from other titles. Let consumers, critics and history be the judge as to whether or not your "more than a game" is deserving of such status. I doubt it's going to have as much of an impact as Kojima hopes, and likely won't inspire as many "the Death Stranding of xxx" headlines and inspiration shout-outs as, say, the Souls franchise did. And I say this as someone who holds MGS V as one of my favorite games of the generation. I'd be happy if the game does turn out to be as revolutionary as touted though.
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There are people actually hoping the game bombs, one in an effort to humble Kojima. Lord have mercy, what have we become.
I hope it's super fucking weird, beyond what we're expecting, and sells really well.
I want more high budget weird games.
Truly
I can often imagine how many would get turned down for making a high budget game that doesn't play it safe. I'm really excited to see where this goes and how the mystery unravels.
I'm ready for this mindfuck the game will give me.
And not because of Kojima but in spite of him. Never forget he wanted to have her with an exposed boob with a tattoo that would laugh, guys.
MGSV is still the best game this gen. Gameplay is by far the best of any game this gen. It still has cutscenes and moments that most games would never dream of accomplishing. Huge game with loads of content.
If this game has gameplay anywhere close to that it will be a masterpiece.
If this game has gameplay anywhere close to that it will be a masterpiece.
I played pretty much every big game this gen. None have the gameplay MGSV does.
Neither of those games are better than MGS3:S though. Narratively speaking, the MGS series definitely went downhill the moment Kojima wrote himself into the corner of explaining things that really didn't require an explanation. Clearly the strain of being forced to dedicate his efforts to one series was getting to him, so his departure from Konami is a positive one.
Death Stranding, so far, seems to be a very unique and intriguing creation. However, it being a solid title mechanically speaking is up in the air at this point. That's somewhat concerning given the fact that all of his previous titles had lengthy vertical slice demonstrations. This game is months away and we don't have much to go on. Given how tight MGSV's gameplay is and how much this game seems to borrow from it, I'm willing to trust that the lessons learned from previous projects will carry over. We'll see though.
A title from Kojima, in its entirety, hasn't impressed me since MGS3:S. I'm hoping that the creative and financial freedom he currently has allows him to top the efforts demonstrated in MGS1, 2 and 3.