For all of the hate Kojima gets I'm surprised to see his games do well in this community lol (MGS4 was GOTY in 2008 and MGSV was #3 in 2015 at the old site).
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Troy Baker: 'Death Stranding will be a statement. Kojima is trying to move the medium forward, not just trying to move copies'
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Others have said what I wanted to say about being pretentious. That's the marketing style they are going for and people will eat it up
Hopefully the game delivers and it's fun to play. Just hope the themes make the gameplay worth while.
Hopefully the game delivers and it's fun to play. Just hope the themes make the gameplay worth while.
The more people talk about this game, the more I hope this becomes Kojima's "Peter Molyneux" moment and flops because I am sick to death of people's worship of this guy. There are better writers and better game directors out there. They just don't parade their name on their work like they're a god and claim all the fame for themselves over the other hundreds of people who also worked on the game
MGS 3 is in the second worst game in the series though. and MGSV has the second best story of any Metal Gear Solid behind 2.
Nobody is saying you need to worship the guy, fuck, most people are just excited about the game!
It's the people that are constantly trying to dismiss his accomplishments in every damn thread, that prompt me to defend the guy.
If you love his games, that's all that matters. We just want to celebrate great, ambitious games, man.
And yes, I can be critical of his games. MGSV did nothing for me (the gameplay was incredible though).
Well look at the trailers. I've never seen another game that looks like it. So that seems pretty unique.
But it will still be a game where you control a character and run around a world. Your controller isn't going to magically float away or something.
If you want to call out those people then call them out direction: use the quote function so that they know you're referring to them. Doing generic "fuck the haters!" comments in a thread like this with such a varying range of experiences, opinions, etc just makes your post seem like you're angry at anyone for not liking this kind of ego-worship and pretentiousness.
I could not agree more; you have that earn that kind of praise and Kojima, in my opinion, hasn't done anything of any real note since MGS3. Aside from a few vague trailers and some equally vague gameplay, Death Stranding remains a huge question mark.
Probably because we have heard nothing about the actual gameplay or what you do and just a whole lot of Kojima fluff, which all sounds cool, but people want something more substantial.
But we have seen gameplay... enough of it for me to be hyped.
Edit: And it's not like Kojima games ever have bad gameplay.
I've heard this is widely recognized as the world's first strand game, so it has that going for it.
I've made my stance clear throughout several different threads. I won't bother with pointing every single one of them out anymore, because it clearly hasn't worked... If they have something to add, they can quote me and I'll happily engage.
And now you know my stance too. It's simple really, I'm tired of the bullshit.
Fuck everyone, Kojima is great.
He has always tried to move the medium forward with the games he puts out and for most of them has succeeded. Thank god, because this industry can be such a fucking drag in the AAA space with every company these days not taking risks and seeing their customers as money sponges to milk every last dollar out of, with their annual AAA products more like alternate versions of poker machines with an addictive dose of numbers going up to hit the dopamine in your brain. So thank you Sony for giving this fucking madman Kojima truckloads of money so he can continue to make his weird auteur nonsense that has been some of the best games I've played in my life.
He has always tried to move the medium forward with the games he puts out and for most of them has succeeded. Thank god, because this industry can be such a fucking drag in the AAA space with every company these days not taking risks and seeing their customers as money sponges to milk every last dollar out of, with their annual AAA products more like alternate versions of poker machines with an addictive dose of numbers going up to hit the dopamine in your brain. So thank you Sony for giving this fucking madman Kojima truckloads of money so he can continue to make his weird auteur nonsense that has been some of the best games I've played in my life.
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Probably because it's been done to death lol. I don't feel like the hates surpassed the love. I feel like the love came first, now you get to hear from people that are more critical of him and his work. I like metal gear but I've noticed I'm way less impressed by the narrative the more I look back on it... To the point where I actively avoid mgs discussions in general.
Also, people just want to see some real gameplay now. Give us a full mission. I don't need anymore random cutscenes.
Lol this is exactly the response I expect regardless of this game's quality
There is literally nothing wrong with being skeptical over a game that has shown off next to nothing nor told us anything about it.
Frankly the more people idolize Kojima, the more I am lose interest in the game. And at this point, the game is a pass for me.
Its nice to see that everyone working on the game or has seen it is so excited!
Sure we could argue this level of hype building is a bad idea but fuck it
I really enjoy the concept and quality I have seen thus far
Sure we could argue this level of hype building is a bad idea but fuck it
I really enjoy the concept and quality I have seen thus far
I don't know about all this worship talk but Kojima is certainly one of the most impressive and consistently brilliant game developers out there. I've never been a fan of his narratives but his game mechanics tend to be top shelf and he rarely disappoints.
We've been shown footage of Reedus walking and running from enemies and building a ladder to climb up a boulder. Oh, and sitting because there may or may not be some sort of fatigue mechanic.
And that is enough to make you hype?
Here is a compilation of all the gameplay released so far. 5 minutes:
Kojima, a master of storytelling.
Doesn't know to show instead of just telling.
(Although to be fair, this is just Troy Baker.)
Sure, but a lot were never interested to begin with and are just being their usual toxic self. Problem with pretty much every thread nowadays here.
It's not hard, they usually lead with something along the lines off Kojima is a hack or hasn't done anything good since MGS3.
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Fuck people like you. Those "hundreds of people" you seemingly care about will be out of a job, if the game doesn't do well.
Those people followed him efter the Konami incident. They could've gone anywhere in the World with their talent, yet they chose to continue to work for the guy.
He's tried numerous times to let his staff take over the mantle. Read this.
Kojima said:
You are free to have your preferences, you don't have to like him or his games, but fuck you for wishing they all fail.
I forgot this is the only thread about Death Stranding/Kojima. There's more than 2 too, some are even wishing the game fails, despite there apparently being barely anything to go on.
I don't think you're hyped about the game because of the gameplay. I think you're hyped because of Kojima's pedigree and not the quality--or quantity--of gameplay.
It's the same excuse people used to use for Molyneux, Itagaki, and Will Wright. That their reputation should speak for them and that any criticism towards their games was merely toxicity or unearned doubt or whatever.
I think you're trying to make a good point, but you're being a touch too aggressive and defensive here, my dude.
Then maybe specify that next time after I'm responding to someone talking about negativity in this thread. If its not an issue here it doesnt really sound relevant to this thread now does it?
I just can't comprehend how you would want people to fail, whilst pretending you care.
I'll simply stop responding to these types of people, doesn't do me any good.
