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Trials of Mana |OT| Seiken Densetsu 3-D
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You have to dodge i saw a much later bosses that do like 500 damage on a 700-900 hp pool. I saw a couple of instant death attack.... had to use all 9 cup and all 9 items to kill it. Yeah it look super easy from stream but everything look way harder later on. Saw a instant party wipe with 4 aoe from normal mob.
I see. I keep an X BOne controller around just for PC so I'll use that.
Hopefully the game is popular enough for modders to pay attention and do what they do.
Playing on hard and the game gets harder pretty soon. If you are a bit underleveled and dealing with several ennemies, you are likely to have 1+ of your characters killed.
I played the a bit more than a hour, and the auto dash is a real blessing. Currently I am on Hard difficulty, but I haven't fighted against any boss yet. Reading here, it seems that Hard isn't as easy as many of us thought. I will decide in the following hours of game, after the first bosses, the final difficulty I will play the game.
I really love the game myself, but the one thing that's kinda too bad (but understandable) is that it's a fairly low-budget version of a big-budget game. That's really what it is: the original was a big release for the Super Famicom and has what you very rightly describe as a refined 16-bit presentation. This is really just a medium-budget 3D representation of that. It works, but it does feel like more of a "cheap" game due to it. The bland, generic anime art-style really doesn't help. But I suppose that can't be helped.
I'm not sure I'll be getting this, so I don't have much to say regarding it, but the OP's visual guide thing and what not describing classes and showing the characters what not is very nice :)
if there any way to get Talent point back and reassign later on ?
Yes, the fortune teller in the night market can reassign stat points for some money.
i think thats my issue although im not sure i would count this as a main release since it is a budget remake...but the Mana games were always pushing those beautiful painterly graphics.
i mean... Dawn of Mana is one of the best looking PS2 games imo, and i kinda wish Trials kept that art style... game wasnt great... but dude.. i fucking loved the way it looked.
So when do you actually get the first class change? I just did the area with all the mole holes and
I found the city under attack
You'll be able to class change when you get to a crystal, so not too long from now.
i think thats my issue although im not sure i would count this as a main release since it is a budget remake...but the Mana games were always pushing those beautiful painterly graphics.
i mean... Dawn of Mana is one of the best looking PS2 games imo, and i kinda wish Trials kept that art style... game wasnt great... but dude.. i fucking loved the way it looked.
tbf a hypothetical upres of the game with cleaned textures would about look about the same as Trials
i would't argue in favor of Trials' artistic direction too much but push to shove game looks quite okay
There's a demo available.
It's not so much comparable to any of those, really. It's a charming, lighthearted, relaxing fairy tale with a lot of replayability via different character/class combinations. Not so much narrative-focused -- don't go in expecting an epic story or deep characterization.
i think thats my issue although im not sure i would count this as a main release since it is a budget remake...but the Mana games were always pushing those beautiful painterly graphics.
i mean... Dawn of Mana is one of the best looking PS2 games imo, and i kinda wish Trials kept that art style... game wasnt great... but dude.. i fucking loved the way it looked.
I like the color palette but the character designs are trash and very emblematic of the Square's overly designed characters at the time. I much prefer the simpler character designs of Trials.
After playing in hard mode, I think it's pretty reasonable. Enemies actually do damage and you need to use items compared to normal. The AI is a bit dumb still sometimes, but if they were too good it'd probably be too easy. I'm really liking Riesz class strike for wiping out mobs in an AoE. I'd say there are maybe too many golden statues but that just reduces the need to micromanage your health constantly with candies that are extremely cheap and easy to find.
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Alright, thanks guys. It seems quite a nasty bug, I didn't had that when the demo was released so I guess it's a VR Steam patch that caused that. Did you tried with the full game if the issue is still the same?
its contemporaries back in the day were Ys and zelda
now arpgs (i.e. rpgs without turn based) are the "norm" the distinction doesn't stick out quite as much
About to start this, so just to make sure, we need 3 playthroughs to get the full story, one with Duran + Angela, one with Hawkeye & Riesz and one with Charlotte & Kevin. The third character doesn't matter, correct?
What is your GPU? On my 1070, without the VR headset bug, I can run it at 4k@45fps in towns, 60fps in dungeons.
To follow up with this, does it also matter who you select as your main character? Is it just a different prologue?
Who you pick as your main character determines the prologue, the mid-point dungeon, the final dungeon duo and which group of villains/bosses you end up facing at the end. If you pick Riesz, Duran and Angela in that order, you'll be playing Riesz'/Hawkeye's story with Duran and Angela merely coming along for the ride.
Too bad we have to wait couples of hours to start to feel the game been challenging, should have been like this right at the begining....
i think thats my issue although im not sure i would count this as a main release since it is a budget remake...but the Mana games were always pushing those beautiful painterly graphics.
i mean... Dawn of Mana is one of the best looking PS2 games imo, and i kinda wish Trials kept that art style... game wasnt great... but dude.. i fucking loved the way it looked.
Jeez, yeah, it's beautiful.
Also, the game will let you (optionally) play the prologue of the other characters you chose when they first join your team. So you can get caught up on the opening of their personal plotlines and how they came to join your company.
But yea, stick to the partners I guess and the third character is largely flavor or to fill out a combat role. This way you can see it all in three runs I think.
Ok I just finished playing 8 straight hours on PS4 Pro.
First thing I will say is I'm glad this game exists and it's a love letter to Mana Fans (tm)
I read some reviews yesterday and 1 said that on PS4 Pro it was locked smooth 60fps no matter how crazy things got on the screen. I can confirm that is absolutely false. While it is smooth sometimes, it is also VERY stuttery in many places, both indoor and out. Surprisingly I do'nt notice any issues while in battle, but just running around and it's really noticeable.
--The graphics are nice, if a bit simple but this is a huge update over the first game's horrific remake a couple years ago.
-- The Battle system is new and fast paced fun. Adding a dodge mechanic adds a lot to the moment to moment gameply.
--The new music is just pitch perfect. Nothing crazy was done with most tracks, they are just elevated from the orchestra or whatever they did the remix with. It sounds great.
--Unless I missed something, I still can't find anywhere in the menu that states what each stat does. That seems important, and the stats are different from the SNES game so I honestly don't know how I should be spending Training Points as I level up. I keep getting notifications after acquiring a sprite that I can use the Training menu to spend points and unlock element specific abilities and spells, but at level 15, my menu has 3 items under each of the stats that you can learn as you place points into. Example: Strength. For 2 points you get +5 strength, 4 points is some ability that sound underwhelming, and then at 6 points you get +5 strength. I do not see ANY new spells or abilities added after getting sprites, like the game is telling me. Am I missing something obvious regarding the skills, and is there a stat breakdown in game that I missed? Really, the tutorial has been very basic and not super helpful for me which is surprising.
--Voice Acting (English) is just awful awful bad. I do'nt know what they were thinking with this one but the first 2 sprites sound like overacted caricatures and it hurts to hear them talk! Charlotte is also insufferable with her baby waby baby talk. I'm going to keep it on English but wow this is not just "ok" it's baaad. A couple main characters have been ok. Well, Hawk has been so far at least to me.
--I'm amazed at how faithfully the game has been turned 3D. The areas hew closely to what I remember from the SNES. It's really cool, and keeps the spirit of the original alive.
This sounds negative after re-reading it but even with everything listed above I give the game an 8.5 right now. I love it. There are areas that could have been improved to make it better, but the foundation is solid, and fun, and soaked with nostalgia.
First thing I will say is I'm glad this game exists and it's a love letter to Mana Fans (tm)
I read some reviews yesterday and 1 said that on PS4 Pro it was locked smooth 60fps no matter how crazy things got on the screen. I can confirm that is absolutely false. While it is smooth sometimes, it is also VERY stuttery in many places, both indoor and out. Surprisingly I do'nt notice any issues while in battle, but just running around and it's really noticeable.
--The graphics are nice, if a bit simple but this is a huge update over the first game's horrific remake a couple years ago.
-- The Battle system is new and fast paced fun. Adding a dodge mechanic adds a lot to the moment to moment gameply.
--The new music is just pitch perfect. Nothing crazy was done with most tracks, they are just elevated from the orchestra or whatever they did the remix with. It sounds great.
--Unless I missed something, I still can't find anywhere in the menu that states what each stat does. That seems important, and the stats are different from the SNES game so I honestly don't know how I should be spending Training Points as I level up. I keep getting notifications after acquiring a sprite that I can use the Training menu to spend points and unlock element specific abilities and spells, but at level 15, my menu has 3 items under each of the stats that you can learn as you place points into. Example: Strength. For 2 points you get +5 strength, 4 points is some ability that sound underwhelming, and then at 6 points you get +5 strength. I do not see ANY new spells or abilities added after getting sprites, like the game is telling me. Am I missing something obvious regarding the skills, and is there a stat breakdown in game that I missed? Really, the tutorial has been very basic and not super helpful for me which is surprising.
--Voice Acting (English) is just awful awful bad. I do'nt know what they were thinking with this one but the first 2 sprites sound like overacted caricatures and it hurts to hear them talk! Charlotte is also insufferable with her baby waby baby talk. I'm going to keep it on English but wow this is not just "ok" it's baaad. A couple main characters have been ok. Well, Hawk has been so far at least to me.
--I'm amazed at how faithfully the game has been turned 3D. The areas hew closely to what I remember from the SNES. It's really cool, and keeps the spirit of the original alive.
This sounds negative after re-reading it but even with everything listed above I give the game an 8.5 right now. I love it. There are areas that could have been improved to make it better, but the foundation is solid, and fun, and soaked with nostalgia.
one of the only negatives i culled from the demo... VA is just absurdly awful. felt like i was watching an anime dub from 1995 except they're in on a joke
i found it amusing in its own way til Charlotte. i know this isn't FF7R but dear lord did they go low rent here
Just means you don't get a real conclusion to their backstories. The story arc and villain you face off against is based on your first character, meaning a party like that would only see Duran's story resolved ultimately. The reason why you often pick two characters of the same arc is because ultimately they have the same end goal of fighting the villain and there is bonus dialogue and content when they're both in the same party (at least in the original).
I mean personally since the beginning was so easy I decided to kinda ignore defense gear and focus on attacks.
Needless to say the difficulty caught up with my ass rather quickly. I don't mind it though !
Also turning off the mini map makes it feel like an actual maze which is very reminiscent of the original but less convenient obviously haha. I'll probably turn it off for fun runs once I'm more familiar with the world.
Regarding VA, budget and some of the artstyle, I think the problem stems from the will to not cut anything out of the game, and it was a huge game in terms of content and systems to remake.
But very objectively, going from Secret of Mana to this is rather insane in terms of quality jump, they clearly listened to feedback as they stated, so if they get to make Seiken Densetsu 5 with this as the "base", it can only lead to something amazing imo.
Needless to say the difficulty caught up with my ass rather quickly. I don't mind it though !
Also turning off the mini map makes it feel like an actual maze which is very reminiscent of the original but less convenient obviously haha. I'll probably turn it off for fun runs once I'm more familiar with the world.
Regarding VA, budget and some of the artstyle, I think the problem stems from the will to not cut anything out of the game, and it was a huge game in terms of content and systems to remake.
But very objectively, going from Secret of Mana to this is rather insane in terms of quality jump, they clearly listened to feedback as they stated, so if they get to make Seiken Densetsu 5 with this as the "base", it can only lead to something amazing imo.
The issue is still here with the full game. Even unplugging my VR headset don't fix it. I really don't know what to do at this point...
Are NPCs worth talking to? One gave me an ability but I feel like all the rest just say something pointless.
I had the same issue. Switching to windowed fullscreens fixed it.
This game is pretty neat. I think Square Enix has finally found the right formula for their future lower budget remakes.
Wow lol. Just tried it, fixed it. What a weird oversight. Thanks :)
I don't really mind the voice acting so far. I tried both English and Japanese, both felt kind of budget-y but nothing that made me cringe.
It's weird to hear this kind of dialogue through voice actors though. It still feels like extremely basic SNES-era dialogue, but presented with voice acting. I don't dislike it, it just feels different!
So far I'm really liking the game, and the fact that it's really true to the original while still feeling adapted to modern consoles. My first run is with Riesz - Hawkeye and Kevin.
Depending on how this goes, this might be one of those games I decide to go for the Platinum.
It's weird to hear this kind of dialogue through voice actors though. It still feels like extremely basic SNES-era dialogue, but presented with voice acting. I don't dislike it, it just feels different!
So far I'm really liking the game, and the fact that it's really true to the original while still feeling adapted to modern consoles. My first run is with Riesz - Hawkeye and Kevin.
Depending on how this goes, this might be one of those games I decide to go for the Platinum.