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Travesty that Tekken doesn't get more industry recognition compared to other fighting games
- Thread starter MajulaDream
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The failure of PS All Stars probably scared off any future attempts. No game company can compare to how beloved Nintendo's IPs are - and now Smash has a third party war chest that has turned it into probably the biggest media crossover in fiction history.
I dunno. Reviewers still gave lower than average scores for stuff like Marvel Infinite and SNK Heroines.
I think it's more that most of the big fighters coming out all meet a certain baseline of quality. We don't really see stuff like WarGods and Mace: The Dark Age anymore because the market for fighters is so much smaller.
Dont really see what Award Tekken should get tbh.
Media Bias dictates that it cant get Overall GOTY, because of reasons.
And no individual aspect of the franchise is good enough to get an Award imo, sound is good, but others do it better, same for graphics, story, characters and mechanics too.
That is of course besides the fact that Smash Trounces Tekken in total sales now that Ultimate is out, and it pretty much always trounced Tekken in per Game sales, since Smash releases much less frequently(6 games vs 20+ games).
Besides, best selling does not mean deserving of awards, the only award best selling really helps with is Peoples choice award, and even then that goes more to games that sell lots on a per unique game basis, rather than a franchise that sells respectably for many many entries.
Media Bias dictates that it cant get Overall GOTY, because of reasons.
And no individual aspect of the franchise is good enough to get an Award imo, sound is good, but others do it better, same for graphics, story, characters and mechanics too.
That is of course besides the fact that Smash Trounces Tekken in total sales now that Ultimate is out, and it pretty much always trounced Tekken in per Game sales, since Smash releases much less frequently(6 games vs 20+ games).
Besides, best selling does not mean deserving of awards, the only award best selling really helps with is Peoples choice award, and even then that goes more to games that sell lots on a per unique game basis, rather than a franchise that sells respectably for many many entries.
It's a Nintendo property, so it doesn't count.
You know someone out there believes this unironically.
Namco is the one company that has the best shot, I feel.
They have Jump Superstars and they should have a better handle on what makes Smash work than most companies, because they make it.
I know there's Rivals of Aether but I don't see a lot of people talk about it. It even has Shovel Knight as a playable character.
If people want to play "Smash-like" games, they'll just go to Smash since people who like this type of games are mostly Nintendo fans.
TEKKEN was competing alongside Virtua Fighter, so that didn't help.
TEKKEN 7 deserves a lot of plaudits for having a great soundtrack and game-balance.
TEKKEN 7 deserves a lot of plaudits for having a great soundtrack and game-balance.
Tekken 3 was the absolute height of the popularity and relevance of the series. Unfortunately for it, some very strong competitors entered the market shortly thereafter and Tekken's place in the mindshare of FGotY-type circles lost a lot of ground. Also unfortunately for it, it released the same year as Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, Symphony of the Night, Banjo-Kazooie, Resident Evil 2, and Half-Life.
It's crazy to think that the people at Namco who worked on SSBU will see their work more appreciated than the people at Namco who worked on Tekken7.
Not sure what this is meant to imply.
Tekken: 47 million units
Street Fighter: 42 million units
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
Sakurai (please debate this in another thread):
Besides that, the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Anyone calling another game more technical than Tekken besides VF and Guilty Gear is literally a casual. Tekken literally has the most style out of any contemporary fighting game. It surpasses everything in animation (even though some are outdated), style, depiction of real life martial arts and imaginary ones, a story that's not convoluted/half serious/funny, CGI, slow motion, interesting characters etc. I don't get the Tekken hate on Era. Some of the reasons I read above made me laugh and sad at the same time.
Besides that, the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Anyone calling another game more technical than Tekken besides VF and Guilty Gear is literally a casual. Tekken literally has the most style out of any contemporary fighting game. It surpasses everything in animation (even though some are outdated), style, depiction of real life martial arts and imaginary ones, a story that's not convoluted/half serious/funny, CGI, slow motion, interesting characters etc. I don't get the Tekken hate on Era. Some of the reasons I read above made me laugh and sad at the same time.
Sakurai (please debate this in another thread):
Besides that, the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Anyone calling another game more technical than Tekken besides VF and Guilty Gear is literally a casual. Tekken literally has the most style out of any contemporary fighting game. It surpasses everything in animation (even though some are outdated), style, depiction of real life martial arts and imaginary ones, a story that's not convoluted/half serious/funny, CGI, slow motion, interesting characters etc. I don't get the Tekken hate on Era. Some of the reasons I read above made me laugh and sad at the same time.
Tomonobu Itagaki brazenly disagrees.
It means to imply that the award is not important! Being the best fighter you can be is whats important!
It was very meta. :<
All parts of your comment makes me laugh and sad at the same time.Sakurai (please debate this in another thread):
Besides that, the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Anyone calling another game more technical than Tekken besides VF and Guilty Gear is literally a casual. Tekken literally has the most style out of any contemporary fighting game. It surpasses everything in animation (even though some are outdated), style, depiction of real life martial arts and imaginary ones, a story that's not convoluted/half serious/funny, CGI, slow motion, interesting characters etc. I don't get the Tekken hate on Era. Some of the reasons I read above made me laugh and sad at the same time.
For the most part, even if you are well into fighting games and understand what you're looking at, that's pretty subjective anyway.
It's really about what you want from the meta as much as it is anything else, as long as the thing is even somewhat competently thrown together.
What a great discourse fanboy (but then again what else was I expecting from certain fandoms). Want to go ahead and give me reasons for your argument besides copying my retort?
Lmao, coming from someone who made one of the most hardcore games and one of the most casual, I don't know where I'd stand.
This post is incredibly badSakurai (please debate this in another thread):
Besides that, the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Anyone calling another game more technical than Tekken besides VF and Guilty Gear is literally a casual. Tekken literally has the most style out of any contemporary fighting game. It surpasses everything in animation (even though some are outdated), style, depiction of real life martial arts and imaginary ones, a story that's not convoluted/half serious/funny, CGI, slow motion, interesting characters etc. I don't get the Tekken hate on Era. Some of the reasons I read above made me laugh and sad at the same time.
Why? Because I put something about Smash from the creator himself. The salt is incredible.
Maybe coz awards go to the best games and not the best selling ones. And FGs in general haven't been getting a ton of awards in mainstream media ever since the 90s. Infact I have never seen a game outside of RPG,Action Adventure and TPS win the majority of awards.
Tekken 3 has a 97 or something on MC so I guess that got a ton of praise and probably many GOTY awards? Not entirely sure.
But apart from that. Only few FGs have gotten a lot of mainstream critical acclaim.
SF2 - Because well SF2. Possibly one of the biggest video games of all time. Created the standards for the genre..etc..etc
VF1/2 - Tons of acclaim for its advancements in 3D technology.
Tekken 3 - Huge hit on the PS1 and was a technical showcase of the platform.
Soul Calibur - Same as above but on the Dreamcast.
Aprt from that the only other FG I could see in the limelight in recent years was SFIV and Smash.
Tekken 3 has a 97 or something on MC so I guess that got a ton of praise and probably many GOTY awards? Not entirely sure.
But apart from that. Only few FGs have gotten a lot of mainstream critical acclaim.
SF2 - Because well SF2. Possibly one of the biggest video games of all time. Created the standards for the genre..etc..etc
VF1/2 - Tons of acclaim for its advancements in 3D technology.
Tekken 3 - Huge hit on the PS1 and was a technical showcase of the platform.
Soul Calibur - Same as above but on the Dreamcast.
Aprt from that the only other FG I could see in the limelight in recent years was SFIV and Smash.
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Yea you forgot the whopping $4bn SF2 made on Arcades in its first year.
Which is probably more than both the franchises put together on consoles and Tekken on Arcades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_video_game_franchises
Tekken isn't even on there.
The actual list is for all time is
Street Fighter
Smash
Mortal Kombat
SF and MK wouldn't have such mainstream appeal with just a mere 40m sales across 3 decades. Their massive popularity in the Arcades of the early 90s is what established them as FG juggernauts. By the time Tekken and VF were out though Arcades were mostly a Japanese thing and slowly dying in the rest of the world.
And Smash is well Smash. It has consistently been the biggest FG after the 90s era.
Yeah for sure. It's not like fighting is the main mechanic of smash, lol.
Wait, I think now with ultimate Smash is the best selling fighting franchise.
Whatever, the point still stands considering Smash also didn't get any award and this is something I complained for so long: these awards don't represent the entire industry.
Whatever, the point still stands considering Smash also didn't get any award and this is something I complained for so long: these awards don't represent the entire industry.
When I look at ps2 Tekken and the latest one the only difference I see is better textures and more sparks. That's probably why.
This is very true.
I feel like for most reviewers as long the gameplay "feels good enough" , they just do a checkmark on the Gameplay checkbox.
After that the rest of the content and presentation decide the score.
Also its very hard for someone to figure out if an FG is truly great or not in just a few weeks. It takes years for the meta to develop and see how good the FG actually is. This applies to all competitive MP games. And is why most awards go to Single player games.
Sakurai (please debate this in another thread):
Besides that, the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Anyone calling another game more technical than Tekken besides VF and Guilty Gear is literally a casual. Tekken literally has the most style out of any contemporary fighting game. It surpasses everything in animation (even though some are outdated), style, depiction of real life martial arts and imaginary ones, a story that's not convoluted/half serious/funny, CGI, slow motion, interesting characters etc. I don't get the Tekken hate on Era. Some of the reasons I read above made me laugh and sad at the same time.
Tekken is by and far my most played fighting game, ultimate is my first smash that I've put more than 10 hours in. It is definitely a fighting game, and a party game in case you are implying it's not a fighting game. The two are not mutually exclusive and "other fighting games" doesn't mean it's not a fighting game, it actually includes it as a fighting game.
As for the rest of your post, I agree with some of it, but stop presenting it like fact and pretending those who disagree know less than you. It's a matter of opinion mostly
Either you can argue with me over an opinion of what Smash is (because quite frankly I don't give a shit and enjoy watching it) or take it up with the creator. Those aren't my words.
As for your second comment, I can see where you might think I'm being in elitist but the dick waving with sales numbers does not make a better game. Also, if you're going to complain about me about opinions why don't you go ahead and do that with most of the thread?
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Smash is an FG. But unlike other FGs i think the vast majority of its consumers play it as a party game( with items ..etc). Hence the gigantic sales. But that shouldn't really affect it being called a FG. It has a huge dedicated scene thats way bigger than Tekken.
I think it was a great decision for Sakurai to choose Namco to make the newest Smash games. With Tekken (and Soul Caliber and Tales) under their belt, they really could bring the series out to its best.
And in any case, even if Tekken doesn't get the recognition it deserves, Namco will still get some recognition for Smash. I mean, I think it was inevitable for Smash to overtake Tekken at some point, but now Namco is on the ride, too.
And in any case, even if Tekken doesn't get the recognition it deserves, Namco will still get some recognition for Smash. I mean, I think it was inevitable for Smash to overtake Tekken at some point, but now Namco is on the ride, too.
This is also true. However the game has a huge amount of rules for it to be considered on competitive play. Half the threads I looked at before from the FGC is completely denouncing it from the scene and the other half fighting for it (mostly Smash fans). Most call it a platform fighter. Whatever the case being I'm basing my arguments from the FGC and Sakurai. There is no insidious plot device I came in with like how smash fans are making me out to be the villain. Just observations.
