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Total War subreddit explodes in drama after Moderators take down "sexy mods" for Three Kingdoms, under a new policy by CA
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I really don't think people are "freaks" for just wanting to insert some sexual stuff into a game. It's about as weird as people using cheats to utterly break a game and just messing around in it afterward, IMO. T&A in a historical RTS doesn't make much sense, but it doesn't need to when it's mods made by fans for a very clear purpose (people want titillating designs in their games).
As long as you aren't pushing that on others, who cares if you want to see T&A in a game.
People using stupid mods for their own gratification is quite different from a developer making a game with the same sexualization in mind.
Edit: And to clarify, the fact that such sexualized depictions are the norm in the games themselves (w/o mods) is the real problem IMHO. This is not much different from erotic fanfiction
As long as you aren't pushing that on others, who cares if you want to see T&A in a game.
People using stupid mods for their own gratification is quite different from a developer making a game with the same sexualization in mind.
Edit: And to clarify, the fact that such sexualized depictions are the norm in the games themselves (w/o mods) is the real problem IMHO. This is not much different from erotic fanfiction
How is this weird? Most people find sexy outfits more alluring than just nudity.
😂 OK. Some weird straight male gamers.
I don't have a problem with people modding sexual content into games, just wondering about the bad taste design.
There are probably many ways to make partly dressed look ok
Some people get off on sexually dressed characters while some like Doraemon getting fucked. no kink shame pls.
User banned (2 weeks): sexism, misrepresenting arguments
Came to say this
Why do the devs allow modding, but then ban people who create mods they disagree with?
Stupid to upset your paying customers, regardless of your own feelings
If they really don't want it in that sub why not create an official sub mod where these players can go?
Ok great. I initially read it the other way. Maybe I'm a bit too cynical. Then again, there are a lot of people like this:
Nah dude, this is silly and you should be ashamed. I agree with the post you quoted and have nothing against mods like this (though it's disturbing how some people want to sexualise everything) but that's vastly different to allowing it everywhere.
Besides, if you read the OP there's a pretty frank comment about how it can make a woman feel. Women are their customers too (and they'd probably want more of them), so when considering whether to possibly alienate women or some horny gamers who can go post their mods anywhere else than the official channels, I'd guess the choice is pretty clear.
Have some empathy.
ughh, those disgusting porn games.
Which ONES though, I mean there are just so many of them!?
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Its a historical war campaign simulator and the kind of discussion following such mods involving women is always invariably of the incel strain. According to such people, the only way women can be capable in games is to be stripped down to wearing nothing like that. Its a bit fucking weird and drags the tone of the subreddit down by quite a bit. Many people will go there to get advice on how to play the game, since strategy games can be intimidating without some guidance, and if you allow tits and ass to take the top page of it, you'll just end up with a shithole like /r/kappa within days.
Because it's fucking absurd and perpetuates the twisted and toxic objectification of women. These idiots should grow the fuck up and exercise some modicum of awareness and maturity.
Ok thanks for the correction. That just makes the argument against banning worse since it's not the devs banning it
Lol 'that's okay' but 'you folks are such weirdos and freaks.'
Adding eroticism to non-erotic materials is just something many people do, all the time, by people of all kinds, many most probably are much more successful in life than you or I. Heck, porn parody and industry at large is basically this. Not saying this particular thing is ok or not okay, it's just that that "sweat, grease, and precum" thing is such a tacky, prejudiced way of seeing things :P
How much effort does it take to be this wilfully ignorant?
I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the same old sexist trolls over and over again on this forum but for the millionth time, here goes:
1. The people creating, using and pushing these mods are real human beings. They interact with other human beings. What do you think their views on women are if their first instinct is to replace characters that have nothing to do with being sexy with the garbage in question? Like, honestly, reflect on that for a second then come back to me with a reply.
2. The community manager LITERALLY SPELLS IT OUT FOR YOU how this is oppressive. Women are discouraged by this garbage being so prevalent in gaming that they ACTIVELY CHOOSE TO STOP PARTICIPATING IN DISCUSSIONS AND CONSUMPTION OF VIDEO GAMES. Hello? Are you people fucking sleeping under a rock or something? Read her fucking post and then please come back to me with a reply about how this apparently isn't oppressive when you straight up have an example of EXACTLY how it is being spelled out for you.
3. The utter desperation and toxicity of more or less demanding that women are constantly sexy and attractive to men to hold any value in society is possibly one of the greatest issues holding humanity back. You have over half the fucking population being judged as less than if they don't live up to beauty standards. Hell, even if they do they get judged as "getting a pass due to their looks" creating a catch 22 where women are just honestly completely fucked in any situation where men are in a position of judging them. If you don't see how this point relates to modding every female character into a sexy caricature of themselves then I just don't know how to help you.
Some of you people are seriously beyond the pale. Use your brains before asking dumb fucking questions that have already been answered literally thousands of times on this very forum. I'm sick and tired of this shit.
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Y'all never had fun in a game before? We all about kink shaming now?
You're free to think whatever you want about these mods, but I'm not gonna start condemning people who do enjoy it. Some idiotic vocal minority likes them so everyone else is tarred with the same brush? There's two separate issues here, which is the NSFW being shared on the sub, and the NSFW existing. Most reasonable people seem to be in agreement on the former, and the latter... what's that got to do with you personally how people consume their games?
This would be a different discussion if:
A) the official channels were allowing and/or promoting these mods. It's debatable just how "official" the subreddit is, and they aren't allowing it anyway
B) these were official mods. They aren't.
We about to start taking down erotic fanfics now too? It's just people having fun in their own ways, why are we trying to dictate how people spend their free time? The only issue here is how it's being shared.
You're free to think whatever you want about these mods, but I'm not gonna start condemning people who do enjoy it. Some idiotic vocal minority likes them so everyone else is tarred with the same brush? There's two separate issues here, which is the NSFW being shared on the sub, and the NSFW existing. Most reasonable people seem to be in agreement on the former, and the latter... what's that got to do with you personally how people consume their games?
This would be a different discussion if:
A) the official channels were allowing and/or promoting these mods. It's debatable just how "official" the subreddit is, and they aren't allowing it anyway
B) these were official mods. They aren't.
We about to start taking down erotic fanfics now too? It's just people having fun in their own ways, why are we trying to dictate how people spend their free time? The only issue here is how it's being shared.
I mean
It's okay to install erotic mods if you want but holy shit what the fuck is that horror? That's just tasteless.
Also what the fuck is people thinking by sharing that into a general subreddit? Can't they create a subreddit for that kind of thing? r/totalwareromods or something.
It's okay to install erotic mods if you want but holy shit what the fuck is that horror? That's just tasteless.
Also what the fuck is people thinking by sharing that into a general subreddit? Can't they create a subreddit for that kind of thing? r/totalwareromods or something.
Right, its turned into that. It went from mods not appropriate for venue, which i agree with, to these mods are disgusting and anyone who uses them is a sexist pig.
I guess anyone that watches porn is also a sexist pig?
This is what I don't really get.
Many videogame related subreddits have a porn version so dramas like this don't happen.
Why don't they do the same?
User banned (3 days): concern trolling, irrelevant whataboutism
What if it was drawn by a woman? It isn't just men that create/enjoy these things.
User banned (3 days): concern trolling, irrelevant whataboutism
Then they are disgusting sexist pigs too, i guess.
It is a screenshot from the official website. When I played EB I still remember a few very powerful sword units inside the roster of Greek and barbarian factions; thus when I saw the screenshot I assumed they still play the same.
I appreciate the correction since I never played the latest versions.
I think perspective is a bit important. One of the models you are referring is talked about the following comment,
Morathi is a high priestess of TWO Gods of sexual lust and pleasure.
The Witch Elves are crone-esque blood fanatics who don't wear armor cause they want to feel blood touching their skin, and have unconventional female bodies (like how jacked they are)
When you get to the regular female Dark Elves in the military, there armor is very practical.
The perspective i want you to have about he sexualized women in warhammer franchise is this:
- CA has been relatively loyal to the source material
- Those women are restricted to 5 units out of >20 different units
- Those women due to bikini are very vulnerable to ranged fire (unlike most games where bikini=plate armour)
- With the exception of 1 model all of the other 4 are very "unorthodox" model for fans service.
- No other female characters are sexualized from any other faction!
- The only char made by CA for warhammer 2 is an (forgive my rude language) overweight opera singer.
All that said this still feels a whataboutism.
warhammer, a fantasy universe, having women in very few clothing is a very different context to a historical setting. It mustn't be the excuse to allow historical characters to begin undressing. I completely understand Grace! Its incredibly weird (and a bit disturbing) seeing someone post an undressed version of a clothed historical char in a semi-oficial forum THEN harrass the Grace when she says that those actions makes her feel uncomfortable
The subreddit has indeed a "direct line" with CA due to several members of CA posting in reddit.
To the 3 of you i'll repost a previous comment.
Does that make sense?
The comunity manager is a woman so probably to harass her.
I don't think anybody cares if it is drawn by a women, a man or whatever your gender or sexual preference is.
i'll re-iterate the problem(s)
Lonliness is destroying the younger generation of men it seems. Social media and tech has stunted the development of social skills and isolated young men are going basically insane. Humans are social creatures and turning to online communities that just reinforce the insanity is making things worse.
People making the games aren't either, as pointed out continuously when the female generals were added to total war rome 2.
As far as i can tell, nobody is banning the skimpy mods or people using or making those skimpy mods. The only that is now banned is posting images (and i suppose links) of said skimpy mods in the official forums and reddit. Wich i think is totally fair.
I mean, it's the same for Bethesda mods, i don't think anybody as ever been banned for using the numerous sex mods that exist. You just won't find them (much) on the front page of the main reddit for Skyrim or on official Bethesda forums. That's it.
Nobody is being banned. It's just threads showing these that are now deleted on sight.
They aren't banning them or their mods from the game tbf, they just don't think bastardisations of their work like that are really appropriate for the subreddit. Which is fine.
Those players can go make their own subreddit about their mods if they want, nobody is stopping that.
For most games with modding (such as Bethesda games), there usually is. It's kinda baffling that there wasn't for this game and that people thought it was appropriate to post this material onto a public, SFW, developer-endorsed, subreddit.
That post you initially responded to was in response to someone saying they don't understand why someone else would use those mods.
It was in no way trying to defend the mods being on the subreddit.
It was in no way trying to defend the community blowing up about their removal.
It was in no way trying to brush aside the feelings of those on the main subreddit of the game.
So most of what you wrote wouldn't apply because pretty much everyone agrees that the mods shouldn't have been on the subreddit. No one you responded to in that chain said otherwise.
In response to your first point specifically: People use these mods for the same reason people watch porn. No different. And as you're certainly aware those who do watch porn also cover a wide range of attitudes towards women, some of which are certainly misogynistic. Are those people ones you would paint with the same presumption of malice because there are misogynistic elements among them? Do you think liking sexy outfits is a wholly overriding element of personality making the rest of the person instantly a known, horrible quantity towards women?
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I mean posting it on the subreddit was wrong and antagonising the community rep was fucked up, but some of you are becoming victorian as fuck.
Just don't go ankle policing you're nearest nunnery eh?
Just don't go ankle policing you're nearest nunnery eh?
One of the things I love about the PC platform is that people can mod their games however they want. If someone wants to make sexier characters for a game because that's something they would enjoy more power to them. Aside from making illegal content or cheats for multiplayer games PC games I think people should be able to make whatever mods they want for PC games. I've enjoyed so many different mods for PC games over the years from tiny quality of life updates to full conversions that I'm glad PC offers the ability to make so much user generated content.
That being said I do think it's well within the rights of the moderators of the total war subreddit not to want it on their subreddit. There's plenty of other places to host or discuss it, including other subreddits. Harassing a community manager is also a pretty awful thing to do.
Well, if you are talking about this mod the artist has only done revisions to two characters currently. Maybe more now, but it's hard to know as you have to go through a lot of hoops to get access to his modding community, and there's also a language barrier with it all being in Korean.
Man, I can't wait to see Martha Washington in high heels and garter belts once they make a revolutionary war TW.
Yeah, shame this shit. These are real life historical figures that have done more than any of us on this forum have and made an impact on the world. Show a little respect.
Yeah, shame this shit. These are real life historical figures that have done more than any of us on this forum have and made an impact on the world. Show a little respect.
Shoulda renamed the thread to "Total War subreddit leads to kinkshaming" by this point, especially given the problem has been solved.
HAH!
There's a difference between watching porn and having the urge to turn every woman, fictional or not, into a sex object. Needless to say this is an incredibly complex topic that warrants equally nuanced discussion, but to say "how could this possibly be a form of oppression?" is just an awful way to approach the subject.
Why bring that to what i think is a largley SFW subreddit. The horny people go to the dumb places like r/kappa for unbridled thirst and such for fighting games. You need to ask yourself if this is the place for it, it won't dissolve if you take it somewhere else.