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Total War subreddit explodes in drama after Moderators take down "sexy mods" for Three Kingdoms, under a new policy by CA
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Sexism is sexism, whether it's hosted on an official channel or not. If someone wanted porn, there are much simpler channels for them to get it. And there's even less of an excuse when someone on the staff expresses their discomfort and they're attacked for it.
How is liking erotic content in games sexism?
What does porn have to do with that?
Yes, though the mention of mod support was in response to the idea that software licenses represent unmodifiable products.
Why do people even need porn in a historical strategy game? Why can't these freaks just get off with the normal avenues?
What can I say man, after gaming with a non-stop boner its impossible to go back to the olden ways.
... Ok so i'm not defending people attacking staff right, that's bad. And i've said as much in this thread.
But what if they just like seeing sexy characters while they play the game...some people don't want to just watch porn... I think that's ok? Like there are people playing Street Fighter with a urien mod with his dick all the way out... they could just... you know... wanna see uriens's dick and that's their buisness and that doesn't really have to say anything about thier character really and that's ok?
We need to have several conversations about sexism , racism... nazism... various issues in the video game community and media in general. But you can't paint a whole picture of a person because they don't get off the same way you do. Seems like a step way too far
Why not?
Being serious here, why is that off limits.
I mean, through Jim Sterling I found out game porn parodies exist in fair number. How is that more valid?
I feel like the issue here is " They attacked a game staff member for being reasonably uncomfortable with it in the game "
What they choose to do in private is their business and why is it relevant to you.
I think having porn mod in a game like this is weird as fuck , but ... that's it really. Ain't my business.
In an ideal world, maybe. And I totally get that, some people got kinks and generally I dislike kink shaming.
Fact is women are still regarded as largely secondary in importance to men (and this is definitely felt to women in the gaming industry), and this seems to have some very real implications in the real life where women are talked down to for how they've felt or been treated.
I think the point is to have a space for that where guys into that can do it.... less publically? The mod here (and many other women) feel super awkward when guys are talking about how much they wanna jack it to characters; and this sentiment feels worse when women are harassed either as gamers or developers (or whatever).
If it's games it should be about games, and a general idea that there are many people playing that should allow for more respectful discourse (and this goes beyond just female gamers, but the tons of issues with racism, toxicity, and so forth).
But y'all don't care about how we feel...
I thought the original one was a waifu already cause she has a cheery smile. I wasn't ready for what was coming.
The mods have every right to close down NSFW content if it's not wanted. I have no problem at all with sexy mods, and while I don't use them myself, I can certainly empathize with the fantasy. That said, niche mods that over-sexualize characters or add unsettling violence can make people very uncomfortable and harm the vibe, so I think it's totally understandable to want to separate them into their own subreddit.
The mods have every right to close down NSFW content if it's not wanted. I have no problem at all with sexy mods, and while I don't use them myself, I can certainly empathize with the fantasy. That said, niche mods that over-sexualize characters or add unsettling violence can make people very uncomfortable and harm the vibe, so I think it's totally understandable to want to separate them into their own subreddit.
I haven't seen anything but condemnation of the content being on the subreddit, so aren't we all in agreement there?
What even is "normal avenues" in 2019? It feels like I'm exposed to a new weird fetish i didn't know existed every week.
You realize throughout this entire thread I said that the people who are upset that the reddit the game dev is trying to use as an official channel might not want to host porn mods are idiots.
I'm not arguing that point.
Sorry it's late and totally misread the post.
But really yeah, that stuff should be separated.
The ToS might say this, but if any dev were to actually do this, it would raise a hell. I also don't think it has been tested in any court yet - I'm fairly confident that at least in EU it would fail hard. In fact I'd guess that publishers really don't want it to go to courts because that would also raise further questions about digital ownership.
Yeah, that's true. Video games(not from Japan) are still relatively safe from mommies and daddies teaching their "step" children about sex.(What's the point of having them be step kids, when the kid is just going to say "but you raised me since I was a little kid")
Look, I'm not shaming them by saying freak, everybody's just a Freak On A Leash these days. I just don't get the point of precumming your clean shorts while playing a complex strategy game.
I personally don't like having messy wet shorts while I play my video games.
I for one know when I want to get as far away from incest as possible I turn to leaders of large kingdoms
I'm sure that's someone's fetish in an entirely different context.
On the bright side a NSFW subreddit has now been created, so people can go there to talk about tits. Still won't stop waifu/husbando talk from happening in the main board.
They have a life, just not one deemed 'normal' by society. If they want to do this shit on a separate subreddit then it's whatever, who are we to judge and poke at them. There are billions of people on Earth and I'm sure at least a few million or more are anti-social or nerdy, into X-rated video game modding, and have kinks out there you wouldn't agree with. Instead of getting in a fit over someone else's interest that doesn't affect your life whatsoever, the easier thing to do, like what I'd do, is simply say "this shit ain't for me fam" and keep it moving.
Have zero problems with people making adult/nude mods for games. Honestly not sure why people always sound so disgusted or surprised that people do this.
I can however understand why the main subreddit for the game don't want that sort of content posted, especially if the subreddit is also used as a place for the community to communicate with the actual dev team, which it sounds like it is?
I can however understand why the main subreddit for the game don't want that sort of content posted, especially if the subreddit is also used as a place for the community to communicate with the actual dev team, which it sounds like it is?
I personally take a live-and-let-live attitude towards this kind of thing, at least when it's relegated to the proper channels... but there's also something very unhealthy and quite sad about infusing everything you consume with softcore porn. Even if you're doing so in perfect privacy, engorging yourself with nothing but nonstop titillation can't be good for your intellectual or emotional development. Heck, social media is testament enough to this -- I can only assume that there's a substantial overlap between the audience for mods like this and the audience that throws a fit whenever a developer dares to not cater to their libidos.
Yep, and that's a problem. Reddit is a cesspool and everything being connected makes it easy for the shittier communities to invade perfectly normal ones when there is a hot button issue like this. I miss dedicated community forums on a per game basis. Devs and CM should just ignore reddit as much as possible.
They are free to do all the amount of half naked women mods they want, but this shit ain't healthy IMO. When you basically modify every female character to be a walking pair of tits I think there's some problem. I don't think it's healthy for a guy to be feed with half naked unrealistically sexualized chicks in all the media they consume (not only when they watch porn), but what do I now.
User Banned (1 Month): History of antagonistic behaviour and rationalizing sexism; accumulated infractions.
you are making the assumption that the hypothetical person indulging in said mod is doing it to everything. To get where you are , you need to make some leaps and assumptions.
I agree with you that being plastered with unrealistic standards of beauty might not be healthy. But I can't make the assumption someone is doing that to every video game because someone has a chun li nude mod. Shit seems like a hell of a jump.
Human behaviour/psychology is interesting. For "Interested Observer" I would thought that to be obvious. Now can you answer their question? What's with the need to objectify women in everything and everywhere? (this makes it seem so)
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If people just consume porn (or almost-porn, like I suppose this would be) and aren't adversely affected, great. But whilst I don't believe consuming porn in-and-of-itself leads to dehumanisation of women, the Venn diagram of "I must have tits in my games" and "women are just there for my sole gratification and aren't human" would be interesting to see. Causation not correlation and all that, but as an industry, gaming - as well as comics, btw - needs to be mindful of positive attitudes to sex and gender, and we should all take an interest (to a greater or lesser degree) in what is being consumed as it shapes attitudes and societal norms and expectations.
Most PC-centric companies I know still keep official forums. Social media is more popular.
A big advantage of owning your own space is you can police it how you want.
Well put dude. Also it is documented that over exposure to porn is absolutely unhealthy. Our brains aren't meant to see so much unearned poon and dong.
If you mod even a game like Total War it's not far fecthed to think it's an habit for that guy IMO. As I said I think it's totally different than modding DOA or SF where there's character with a clearly sex-appeal.
So many assumptions about people putting sexy mods in every game going around in this thread based on someone deciding to put a revealing mod in this particular game. It's the internet, this modder probably only did one mod, or mod particular games, yes it's possible they could mod every game they can, but that's unlikely I would think. And even if they did, it's their business. The fact that it's just a picture mod makes it hard to believe that this person mods every game to have sexy people in it. Even if it's hard to make that picture show up in the game. It's PC this stuff is sometimes a feature in the base game like Pillars of Eternity for (example below taken from this video).
(See's Fortnite on tv brush it off even though it's cartoony and may appeal to children. Then see a youtube video where someone mods a game to kill "annoying" kids in Skyrim, new realistic blood textures, and actual guns in. Another video of (trying to think of a non violent game) a mod for American Truck Driver Simulator where you can cause explosions and blood tire streaks after running over a car)
"Why do people need to put violence in every game. Don't they get enough violence from blockbuster movies and games designed to be violent? Violence at every form of their entertainment at all hours of the day, this can't be healthy."
Also people saying people using this mod and having wet shorts because of this picture? Really? That's like people having wet shorts booting up GTAV and seeing that lady in the bikini, watching tv and underwear/bikini/sexy clothing scene comes up, or a lot of the recent movie Baywatch. Oh and you gotta hate when random commercials come on with someone in sexy clothing, having to change underwear because of that "jizz in my pants" condition.
(See's Fortnite on tv brush it off even though it's cartoony and may appeal to children. Then see a youtube video where someone mods a game to kill "annoying" kids in Skyrim, new realistic blood textures, and actual guns in. Another video of (trying to think of a non violent game) a mod for American Truck Driver Simulator where you can cause explosions and blood tire streaks after running over a car)
"Why do people need to put violence in every game. Don't they get enough violence from blockbuster movies and games designed to be violent? Violence at every form of their entertainment at all hours of the day, this can't be healthy."
Also people saying people using this mod and having wet shorts because of this picture? Really? That's like people having wet shorts booting up GTAV and seeing that lady in the bikini, watching tv and underwear/bikini/sexy clothing scene comes up, or a lot of the recent movie Baywatch. Oh and you gotta hate when random commercials come on with someone in sexy clothing, having to change underwear because of that "jizz in my pants" condition.
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People that would forcibly add eroticism into decidedly non-erotic material seem like the type that would also be wet all the time, both in terms of sweat, grease, and precum. And that's okay. These people should just own up to the fact that they are weirdos walking around with soiled underwear. Just own up to it, is what I say.
Hah if they are more power to them. Makes me think of that Jizz In My Pants, and some other SNL skit where Wig (forgot her full name) played a woman that had uncontrollable orgasms from the slightest thing. Found it "Tamara Parks on P.G.A.D. - SNL" I don't know if that is a real condition, and I can see how that would be a nightmare, but I remember finding this very funny. Another ninja edit, I googled P.G.A.D. it's real :(.
Because I fucking hate oppression and I fucking hate complacency. Why do you NOT care?
What a bunch of dicks acting as if some moderation of a subrredit somehow affect their life and warrant insulting people working at CA or anyone really for being
uncomfortable seeing that stuff when all they want is speak about the game.
Just make a specific subreddit for NSFW mods, heck migrate to a place made for that kind of content like say loverslab, and get on with your life full of sexy pictures.
I say this as someone who usually use this kind of mods and just read 7 pages telling me that it makes me a monster.
uncomfortable seeing that stuff when all they want is speak about the game.
Just make a specific subreddit for NSFW mods, heck migrate to a place made for that kind of content like say loverslab, and get on with your life full of sexy pictures.
I say this as someone who usually use this kind of mods and just read 7 pages telling me that it makes me a monster.
People using sexy mods is oppressive?
Sure, there are issues with oversaturation, but the presumption that this genre is less susceptible to that content and thus people who mod it in such way must mod everything feels presumptive. And I'm sure their is some overlap but I'd expect that to be in part tapered by the fact that this crowd already looks for outside sources.
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Well it's not porn in the traditional sense at least, it's digital ink on digital paper. Nobody gets exploited, nobody gets harmed. I don't disagree with much of what you say here and I totally agree the industry should take positive attitudes to sex and gender, but this is a mod. It's made by some dude in his house.
Nobody is being oppressed by inserting a few drawings into a game, don't be absurd.
They got bored of Fate and wanted their historical waifus elsewhere?
Are you saying that it's not a problem if they were able to post it in that reddit channel since if they couldn't, they'd post it somewhere else anyway? Or are you saying that the ban isn't a problem since they can just post it elsewhere anyway?
Obviously the latter. This ban isn't gonna stop anyone from posting stuff like this. They'll just find another avenue to do so. There had been times in the past where they tried to clamp down on it but it's the internet and unless they actually put out legal action this is gonna happen.
Why not just draw her naked š¶
I don't understand weird straight male gamers. Why do they have such bad taste?
Remember when I said many developers are OK with and encourage mods?