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Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore announced for Nintendo Switch!
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Welp, I'm out, was always planning to buy the Japanese version because I wanted to avoid these stupid changes. With this news, I rather instead waste my money on buying the OST album for the game.The official Japanese website just updated and replaced a previously uncensored image with a censored one.
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So, something regarding the dub and I need to stress something here: If they wanted to do a dub, there's a chance they likely would've wanted to have re-recorded the songs in English, otherwise you create and awkward effect given how integral the music element is for this game.
The problem is the company handling the music licensing and the music label for this game, Avex, is known to not allow dubs for their songs anymore. Music licensing in Japan can be a headache because a lot of times just getting translations approved for songs can be a mess, which is why most of the time, simulcasts for anime almost never bother with this, and if they do, sometimes it can take weeks for them to resolve it. That's why even for games that leave songs in Japanese, sometimes there's no translations simply because of that (be it the manual or in game with subtitles).
This is likely the reason why the game never received a dub. I mean, obviously it can be a cost saving measure, but I don't think that's 100% the reason why and likely just a decision because they couldn't re-record the songs into English.
The problem is the company handling the music licensing and the music label for this game, Avex, is known to not allow dubs for their songs anymore. Music licensing in Japan can be a headache because a lot of times just getting translations approved for songs can be a mess, which is why most of the time, simulcasts for anime almost never bother with this, and if they do, sometimes it can take weeks for them to resolve it. That's why even for games that leave songs in Japanese, sometimes there's no translations simply because of that (be it the manual or in game with subtitles).
This is likely the reason why the game never received a dub. I mean, obviously it can be a cost saving measure, but I don't think that's 100% the reason why and likely just a decision because they couldn't re-record the songs into English.
I mean, Stella Glow had an English dub and all the songs are left in Japanese. It's not on the same scale and the songs aren't Avex produced, but I can't imagine it would've really mattered. Especially since even though they're speaking English as we hear it, it's understood they're really speaking Japanese like in Persona.
Yup, exactly what I think every time people come with this word for gaming or anime stuff lol
Yeah. Most English speaker mostly watch hollywoodian or english films, so there's not that much of the sub culture that there is in Europe/rest of the world, since most of the culture we consume in the west is from the USA.
I'm not familiar enough with Stella Glow enough to kinda comment (doing a quick search, having trouble finding anything on that aspect, other than it does have a number of vocal songs and not sure if cutscene related), but TMS does have elements of characters singing the songs directly, especially during cutscenes. Was that something also in Stella Glow, though? Might be the key difference there, not sure.
You all do realize that the Persona series had a bomb when it first released in the west. The only reason that it did well was because 3 capitalized on the whole high school aspect and visual novel dating sim idea. Persona 5 also has the added bent of being the 6th, if you count IF, so a long running series. TMS is only the first, and things can change up for the second game. It took till three to get a damn fanbase for Persona, probably will take as long for TMS as well.
The official Japanese website just updated and replaced a previously uncensored image with a censored one.
I was hoping they'd course correct since they've released worse since then, but if they're still pulling this I'll skip it here just like I did on Wii U.
Technically the game doesn't need censorship it's just Nintendo of America being extremely heavy handed.
Is there any reason for this or is the Japanese music industry just that overzealous?
NCL and the devs need to be convinced of and approve of any localization changes. NOA can suggest stuff, but they don't have a team editing the in-game art assets themselves and so the other partners need to be convinced it's worth the money to change it.
Pretty sure Persona 1 was the best selling entry until Persona 5, though.
Your're correct, but Only in the first week, if I'm remembering correctly P3 and P4 oth became higher in the second week.
As I recall Atlus wants TMS to do well so it can make more than Persona.
Oh, have you heard about our good friend Koichi Sugiyama? Yeah, he's one of the many reasons why the music industry is so fucked in Japan today. Not to say the music industry around the world isn't as a whole, but the music industry in Japan is a whole 'nother level of fucked because of this, and a lot of it roots back to Sugiyama, unfortunately.
He's a co-founder of one some of the major music corporations (including the biggest and most well known entry, JASRAC), and he has his hands in almost everything.
Ha, figures that goddamn fossil would have a hand - or rather a whole arm - on this mess.
It's amazing(ly awful) how many pies that man has a finger in.
Given Nintendo's (lack of) content editing for their Switch games (in particular, Xenoblade Chronicles 2), I think that's it would be fair to say that the conclusion was that the extra time and money to make the cuts wasn't worth it. Which makes the decision to base the Switch port of TMS on the cut version weird, since you'd have thought that the source code stored would be based on the Japanese release.
Or NOA (and/or NOE, etc) are coming in earlier on Switch games and providing input before things are made public?
Perhaps the devs like the changes? Or it was easier to base the port of the Western version so they could have one worldwide SKU instead of a Japanese one and a WW one because that's less dev time, testing, etc.
I guess it shows the stigma we have against adult film stars/gravure idols when they just removed that Maiko was a gravure idol. I can understand the other characters since they're high schoolers by why remove it from her?
Atlus handled translation, Nintendo dictated localization changes (aka "censorship").
Considering Xenoblade Chronicles 2, doubt.png. Seriously, there was absolutely no way XC2 would get through uncut with the WiiU-era localisation policies. There's a bunch of stuff in XC2 that was far lewder than anything in TMS.
With that said, the revelation in another thread that the Cold Steel PS4 was not done by Falcom, but rather Falcom commissioned a third party to handle the port does give me an idea for a theory. I think NoA commissioned this port. It would then make sense for the port to be based on the American version of the game.
I was really hoping we would get the true/Japanese version with this release, but it doesn't seem to be happening. I guess they looked at which region it sold the best and just settled on porting that version instead. It's a shame.
Like, I don't need to play games for the T&A, there's the Internet for that. It's just, this game wasn't even edited with care, a lot of it just was just sloppy and doesn't make sense in a lot of the situations. Even if I didn't know of the edits, all it would take is one look to know something was wrong (like with Tsubasa's horrible wedding dress outfit). There are worse things in other Persona games, not to mention other Switch games, so why this game seems to get targeted with all of these edits doesn't seem fair. It's almost as though they want the game to sell as little as it can, but I know that's not the case (why else would they bother to release it in the first place?).
I'll wait and see how the final release is, but I don't hold out much hope, not if the Japanese website shows the edited outfits/scenes. I already own the Wii U version and was excited to play this on the Switch, but if it is just a port of the Wii U release my money will likely be spent elsewhere, especially considering the CDN dollar and the Atlus tax to begin with. $80 CDN (before applicable taxes and shipping) isn't exactly cheap for a game I already own...
Like, I don't need to play games for the T&A, there's the Internet for that. It's just, this game wasn't even edited with care, a lot of it just was just sloppy and doesn't make sense in a lot of the situations. Even if I didn't know of the edits, all it would take is one look to know something was wrong (like with Tsubasa's horrible wedding dress outfit). There are worse things in other Persona games, not to mention other Switch games, so why this game seems to get targeted with all of these edits doesn't seem fair. It's almost as though they want the game to sell as little as it can, but I know that's not the case (why else would they bother to release it in the first place?).
I'll wait and see how the final release is, but I don't hold out much hope, not if the Japanese website shows the edited outfits/scenes. I already own the Wii U version and was excited to play this on the Switch, but if it is just a port of the Wii U release my money will likely be spent elsewhere, especially considering the CDN dollar and the Atlus tax to begin with. $80 CDN (before applicable taxes and shipping) isn't exactly cheap for a game I already own...
Yeah, but the changes were already made. If they fixed bugs or glitches in the WW version that existed in the Japanese version but they never patched, for example, that version would also be a likely candidate to base the port off. Or, again, the devs/NCL preferrered those changes.
Finally, XC2 didn't, afaik, have a soft-core porn shoot featuring an underage girl, so maybe it's not about lewdness so much as it is about not sexualizing children.
This game is releasing in Japan and is being published by NCL. Atlus is a co-copyright holder iirc. They're at least aware of the port and, again, would have had to approve the changes in the first place because they were the ones implementing them for the original Western release.
The censorship warriors are already at it? Not getting an awesome game because they covered a few pixels is very sad. in no way the experience is lessened by those changes, but anyone is free to vote with their wallet and their hard earned money.
I'll buy mine just like a did my special edition on wiiu. Day one and not missing the "Vagina bones"...
I'll buy mine just like a did my special edition on wiiu. Day one and not missing the "Vagina bones"...
It doesn't overall bother me, and there are some changes that I prefer honestly . The only big issue i had was the wedding dress which looks absolutely terrible in the censored version.
Overall though, it's extremely stupid to miss out on the game over that. It's such a charming and fun game otherwise that I'd rather people not miss out cause they added an under shirt.
I think the only one I'm still very, VERY, puzzle about is the wedding dress change:
This is probably the only change I can honestly look at and be like "This really makes no sense". I'd get if they wanted to maybe expand the area to cover up the cleavage, but the sleeves and everything is a bit much...
EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I actually think the change makes it worse, given the was the localized version almost wraps around her chest area... Honestly, this is probably the only change I legit hope they roll back, because I legit think the localized dress makes it worse.
Hence the air quotes. I have little interest in engaging in the semantics people always bring up to divert the point of discussion.
For maybe the 100th time, the changes are far deeper than a few outfits adjustements. A huge aspect of the story that is key to the japanese entertainement industry has been messily scrapped, modifying art assets, lines and lines of dialogue and even removing some player choices. I don't know why the cleavages and vagina bones became the go to strawman to ridicule the localization worries, but it's really reductive.
The left dress is a sin.I think the only one I'm still very, VERY, puzzle about is the wedding dress change:
This is probably the only change I can honestly look at and be like "This really makes no sense". I'd get if they wanted to maybe expand the area to cover up the cleavage, but the sleeves and everything is a bit much...
EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I actually think the change makes it worse, given the was the localized version almost wraps around her chest area... Honestly, this is probably the only change I legit hope they roll back, because I legit think the localized dress makes it worse.
Somehow the altered dress looks more lewd than the original.I think the only one I'm still very, VERY, puzzle about is the wedding dress change:
This is probably the only change I can honestly look at and be like "This really makes no sense". I'd get if they wanted to maybe expand the area to cover up the cleavage, but the sleeves and everything is a bit much...
EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I actually think the change makes it worse, given the was the localized version almost wraps around her chest area... Honestly, this is probably the only change I legit hope they roll back, because I legit think the localized dress makes it worse.
Spamming that picture or gif doesn't make any of the changes less dumb.
It honestly took me a moment to realize she had her hand on her chest in the left version. It just all blended into this giant mess. I hope they roll back a few other changes, but given what they already showed in the reveal trailer I simply assumed it was the American version and haven't really worried about it since. Just give me better loading times and skippable chain attack animations. Maybe a shortcut to Tiki or the ability to access the shop in a different way. What a pain it was to get there every time you wanted to check on new equipment or skills.I think the only one I'm still very, VERY, puzzle about is the wedding dress change:
This is probably the only change I can honestly look at and be like "This really makes no sense". I'd get if they wanted to maybe expand the area to cover up the cleavage, but the sleeves and everything is a bit much...
EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I actually think the change makes it worse, given the was the localized version almost wraps around her chest area... Honestly, this is probably the only change I legit hope they roll back, because I legit think the localized dress makes it worse.
Reverting the changes would not be a big issue. If modders can do it, so can Nintendo. It's no simple compile again to get the game ported from Wii U to Switch. They just (probably) choose to keep those changes into the new port. I do wonder if it's going to be everything, though.
Man, I see a bunch of praise for the gameplay mechanics but the premise gives me pause. Like, Press Turn variations are fun but I don't think I'd be willing to look the other way regarding plot content, censorship not not. Just from a surface glance. Unless it's not as lascivious as swimsuit shoots as part of the plot make it sound.
It absolutely isnt. It's why that scene would stand out to an American audience--it doesn't fit the story they're telling at all.
Yeah they really need to revert this one. The one on the right is fine, but the one on the left...I think the only one I'm still very, VERY, puzzle about is the wedding dress change:
This is probably the only change I can honestly look at and be like "This really makes no sense". I'd get if they wanted to maybe expand the area to cover up the cleavage, but the sleeves and everything is a bit much...
EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I actually think the change makes it worse, given the was the localized version almost wraps around her chest area... Honestly, this is probably the only change I legit hope they roll back, because I legit think the localized dress makes it worse.
It either looks like she's wearing latex under the wedding dress or the dress is just painted onto her body and she isn't actually wearing anything.
I am also not happy about the censorship. That wedding dress aside which just looks absolutely horrible, there is also stuff like this which doesn't even make any sense:
That dark smoke covers up the cleavage, okay. Then please tell me why that is not censored in the boss battle that immediately follows this cutscene. Why even censor it in the first place then? I don't understand.
That dark smoke covers up the cleavage, okay. Then please tell me why that is not censored in the boss battle that immediately follows this cutscene. Why even censor it in the first place then? I don't understand.
Its a shame that after three years, some people still have not changed their stance regarding this game.
I'll be honest, when the game was first announced I got hyped because "aaawww yeeesss FE in post apocalyptic Tokyo" and the reveal took some getting used to, but man did I enjoy this game a lot. It is, no joke, one of my favourite RPG's of the past couple of years.
Plus, all this talk of script changes and some visual/clothing changes, didn't even notice them. If you open up to the general premiss of the game, you'll be in for a treat.
I'll be honest, when the game was first announced I got hyped because "aaawww yeeesss FE in post apocalyptic Tokyo" and the reveal took some getting used to, but man did I enjoy this game a lot. It is, no joke, one of my favourite RPG's of the past couple of years.
Plus, all this talk of script changes and some visual/clothing changes, didn't even notice them. If you open up to the general premiss of the game, you'll be in for a treat.
If you have to say it that much, the people you're saying it to probably don't care.