Interesting. I didn't know the pilot who died had a license to fly in fog. More will come out as we go.
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TMZ: Kobe Bryant and daughter Gianna Bryant dead in helicopter crash (Update: Flight Manifest Confirms 9 People) (Read Staff Post)
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That's fascinating. Where did you get that bit of info? Heli forums?
You heard the Audio transmissions between the helicopter and the ATC, not the black box audio.
Just an FYI
Special license may be incorrect terminology. This has him as "instrument rated", which qualifies him to fly in fog and looks like you have to do extra training and testing to get it.
At work in the bathroom damn near in tears over this and been feeling depressed since yesterday. Still doesn't feel real. This one hurts.
That audio is pretty enlightening. Seems to start after the pilot has already decided to turn back and then he's handed from one controller to another and then finally to another who can't communicate with the pilot because the helicopter is too low and presumably the hills are blocking communication to that particular tower. Given the short amount of time between the final handoff, I doubt the story of the person on the ground is accurate. There's no time to climb and then descend quickly and the tower would have picked up on that climb. Looks like after the final handoff the pilot makes a final turn but is way too low and crashes directly into a hill, which would coincide with the experts saying the helicopter disintegrated on impact at nearly 180+ mph as it hit the hill. Tragic, but avoidable because they should not have been flying in those conditions. Unfortunately they realized it mid-flight.
i see. I would have just assumed that would be a requirement for all pilots.
It feels like helicopters are absolutely notorious for killing people. I wonder if there are stats comparing accidents between they and other aircraft. Sad story.
Shit still feels like it isn't real. Don't deal with a lot of deaths to some of my favorite sports figures but I did follow wrestling and those guys unfortunately don't generally live long lives. I remember Eddie dying and it hurting me big. But it hit me harder some time later because I just realized that yeah I'll never see him perform again.
I guess it's different since Kobe did retire but he was so active that he was gonna be everywhere.
I guess it's different since Kobe did retire but he was so active that he was gonna be everywhere.
I think there are various types of licence - same with planes.
For example you need special training / licence to fly at night etc
There's no special license to fly in fog, you are either instrument-rated, or you fly VFR or request Special VFR from the control tower.
Special VFR Clearance is an ATC authorization for a VFR aircraft to operate in weather that is less than the basic VFR minima. Basic VFR minima are 1,000-foot ceiling and 3 miles visibility. If the reported weather is less, a pilot can request a Special VFR Clearance
I think Kobe and Derek Jeter are both on a very similar wavelength.
When 2pac died the rap game literally changed forever the actual sound of music and a lot of the beefing changed forever.
Hurts even more than 2 other children and 3 other parents died here too.
When 2Pac and Biggie died, you mean. Yes. 90s rap fans know this feeling.
what is Shade45?
Thanks for the insight. What kind of aircraft do you fly? (I'm assuming you probably fly)
How aren't they? If you pull up their reference pages side by side, there are a ton of similarities.
The world didn't give a crap about Jeter like they did/do Kobe. Kobe's reach was far wider than that of a baseball player.
He played a bunch of songs Kobe rapped on, I had no idea this was a thing.
That's a common misconception though. Helicopters can autogyrate/rotate quite well without engine power.
I used to fly helicopters in the LA basin, specifically R22's and R44's.
Awesome. We have a little bit of everyone here, don't we?
Did you retire?
There's such a giant hole in the game of basketball right now
This is something I'm not sure I'll ever get over. Kobe was Superman to alot of people growing up, and the fact that we will not be able to see him grow old and be able to bask in his accomplishments like Bill Russell, Kareem etc... doesn't sit right with me at all.
and the fact that his daughter Gigi was with him too... man... I can't imagine the amount of pain that all of these families are going through.
This is something I'm not sure I'll ever get over. Kobe was Superman to alot of people growing up, and the fact that we will not be able to see him grow old and be able to bask in his accomplishments like Bill Russell, Kareem etc... doesn't sit right with me at all.
and the fact that his daughter Gigi was with him too... man... I can't imagine the amount of pain that all of these families are going through.
Are helicopters equipped with those ground proximity warning systems? like the 'woop woop' noise?
Woke up this morning feeling it was just all a bad dream. Ugh.
Literally had to peel myself out of bed for work.
Literally had to peel myself out of bed for work.
In regards to impact with just people around me, colleagues, media. This feels as up there as Michael and Princess Di.
Many helicopters are equipped with TAWS (Terrain Awareness Warning System). Given the cost of the helicopter in question, I highly doubt it wouldn't have it. Having flown copters in the military, I would never go near one now. They're death traps regardless of the safety systems.
As a father I am gutted imagining how it would feel knowing what was happening to my daughter. RIP to a legend, to Gianna and to all the other passengers and crew. Peace to their families.
The millionaire's only natural predator is the helicopter. They are dangerous as hell and it's obscene how many people that are living at the height of privilege have their lives cut short by chopper crashes. Take a plane, take a car, take a train. Helicopters are for cops and soldiers.
The millionaire's only natural predator is the helicopter. They are dangerous as hell and it's obscene how many people that are living at the height of privilege have their lives cut short by chopper crashes. Take a plane, take a car, take a train. Helicopters are for cops and soldiers.
Justin Bailey
The stats are tracked fairly closely because nearly every aircraft is insured, and if you want to try and price the insurance then you need a rough idea of how likely it is to crash and how much it might cost.
I did some quick googling but could only find stats up to 2014. On average, for small fixed wing planes, there were 0.25 fatal accidents per 100,000 hours flown, whereas for helicopters it was around 0.5 fatal accidents per 100,000 hours flown.
It's also worth noting that the "dangerousness" of accidents are quite different. Roughly 1 in 6 fixed wing accidents were fatal whereas roughly 1 in 2 helicopter accidents were fatal.
Stats can only ever be stats but about as close/useful you can get to some of the questions in the thread. Was eyeballing the charts from the study below:-
If they impacted the hillside at the speeds being speculated, there would have been no time to know or fear anything. At 100+ MPH, they never saw it coming. Figuratively and literally.
Thanks for digging. Seems to confirm our conjecture: While generally safe, Helicopters are significantly more dangerous than planes and in the event of a crash, you are far more likely to die in a heli than a plane.
