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Titans S2 |OT| Titans Are Back, Bitches!
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Seems like they left it open.
This season was okay. I preferred season 1. Seemed like they had a better idea where they wanted to go.
Even the Shazam kids could catch falling amusement park rides without electrifying themselves and dying. Lol what was that??
Like I said they had Conner there. He could have done what Donna did and he would have been fine. I still don't understand how she died? How much power do those things output anyways? Surely not enough to kill a half-Amazon, right?
Yeah. Raven's going to play a role in reviving her. That scene had heavy implication that Raven's powers are progressing into revival of some sort.
Why not kill her in the confrontation with Slade instead of having all of them just sit in the car and watch?
Jesus Christ...the writing and action sequences in this episode is so cringy...
That was some bottom tier CW level quality shit.
Also the way the "killed" Donna goofy and lame as fuck. Who the hell thought that was a good idea at all?
Only the Deathstroke fight was moderately enjoyable...
Also is Jericho and Rose sharing a body now? That's some weird ass shit.
That was some bottom tier CW level quality shit.
Also the way the "killed" Donna goofy and lame as fuck. Who the hell thought that was a good idea at all?
Only the Deathstroke fight was moderately enjoyable...
Also is Jericho and Rose sharing a body now? That's some weird ass shit.
LMFAO 😂 that was terrible and what a shit death. Did she want out of the series?
That's at least an angle porn probably hasn't done yet with "incest".😬
That's at least an angle porn probably hasn't done yet with "incest".😬
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Welp, guess it's good I feel off the series two episodes before the end of the season. What the fuck is wrong with this show?
For some reason now all I can imagine is Donna laying on a bed shouting "give me something for the pain and let me die"
Not sure if she wanted out but she's posted on Instagram weeks ago about moving onto other ventures.
Not even a good death either.
If I was utilized as terribly as Conor was this season, I'd DEFINITELY look for a way out. Christ, they barely did anything with her for the whole season.
Didn't do anything with half the cast. They seriously need to cut the cast down in half and just focus on the core 4; Rachel, Dick, Gar and Kory.
I really don't care about the core 4 that much at all, honestly. I could lose any or all of them and wouldn't really feel much of an absence.
Jesus fuck what an absolute garbage last episode. The second half of this season has been straight up doodoo.
Donna was one of the only not idiotic characters on the show as well.
The Cadmus plot line of making vigilantes seem like the bad guys was so out of left field and underdeveloped as well.
Slade was an afterthought in this episode in a season that completely centered around him.
There's so much bad everywhere. Even the fight scenes were at their worst in this episode.
Donna was one of the only not idiotic characters on the show as well.
The Cadmus plot line of making vigilantes seem like the bad guys was so out of left field and underdeveloped as well.
Slade was an afterthought in this episode in a season that completely centered around him.
There's so much bad everywhere. Even the fight scenes were at their worst in this episode.
I fell off after the Bruce Wayne hallucination episode, don't think im gonna pick it back up either by the sound of it.
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Wow this show really can't do finales huh
I just watched the Cobra Kai S2 finale last night, which had a phenomenal 9 minute long fight scene. This show had uhhhh whatever that fight with Deathstroke was and then some janky action with Conner. Great.
Anyway there's no way that killed Slade, he can easily heal from that. It'd be stupid for your main villain to go out that easily. Donna being revived? Meh, she's a nice presence but literally her only plot has been to mourn for Aqualad - she also got the flimsiest origin story - so if she's gone for good that's fine.
The good parts of the episode were Hank stealing scenes with his like three lines total, and powerless Starfire was quite funny.
I'm somewhat hopeful for Tamaran/Blackfire, just because the rest of the cast not having a connection with them means that they can fight together as a team without breaking up every second episode.
I just watched the Cobra Kai S2 finale last night, which had a phenomenal 9 minute long fight scene. This show had uhhhh whatever that fight with Deathstroke was and then some janky action with Conner. Great.
Anyway there's no way that killed Slade, he can easily heal from that. It'd be stupid for your main villain to go out that easily. Donna being revived? Meh, she's a nice presence but literally her only plot has been to mourn for Aqualad - she also got the flimsiest origin story - so if she's gone for good that's fine.
The good parts of the episode were Hank stealing scenes with his like three lines total, and powerless Starfire was quite funny.
I'm somewhat hopeful for Tamaran/Blackfire, just because the rest of the cast not having a connection with them means that they can fight together as a team without breaking up every second episode.
Haven't finish the episode yet because today's been so busy. I'm about half way through it but I know a number of things that have happen. Hard to avoid.
That said I feel, and I think I've said this before and I'm sure many have, this show needs a new show runner and the cast needs to be cut down. I don't think the writing staff in generally needs to be replaced. There are far to many strong episodes and well done character moments for the issue to be there or mainly there. I think the issue is overall leadership and direction and that's from the show runner. I think this season started strong, the middle was strong but the last few episodes have been all over the place in terms of quality and overall purpose and direction. You can't at all have that when it comes to a limited number of episodes in a season and you're getting them weekly. I said before I wanted to see how some of these last few episodes played if you binged them since some things aren't working with how their paced and unfolding week to week.
There is overall to much wasted time. It's one of the reasons why I happen to like season 1 better but I feel individual episodes of season 2 are far better. I feel the direction of that season was better. The story was always progressing and it didn't feel like it was meandering off in different directions.You had your side story episodes but that usually served a purpose and flowed back into the main story later on or helped push something else further. The negative is that not all the episodes were on the same level but I'd rather that then having the overall plot and pacing suffer from all the character trying to be juggled and attention being taken from the story that is suppose to be presented.
I feel a lot of the Hank and Dawn stuff in the back half was pointless and wasted time. Having Dick again leave frustrated me to no end because I thought we were done with that. It was just another waste of time and made the character feel like he had no growth after season 1 and the season 2 premiere. I keep going back to Gar asking him why he had to leave when he told the truth about what happen. That bothered more then anything and was the start of the issues I feel the show had afterward. Everything spiders out of them taking the story in that direction. There was no need to rush the Cadmus stuff. They could have easily had Conner being watched from afar to see how he progressed and picked up on that story if they had a season 3. Focused completely on the Deathstroke stuff.
I also can't help but wonder if they got word that they'd have a season 3 to late and then altered the end of the season to try and setup season 3. Cause it felt like the show was going in one direction and going confidently then it just veers off track after the Jericho episode.
Like I said I haven't finished the episode but what I have seen is in no way representative of what the show has and shown off. The fighting, display of powers, direction, etc have all been far better in this season alone. Look at that Robin vs Deathstroke fight we just had a few episodes ago. Hell the Dick vs Bruce fight we just had. This is what I mean with the last few episodes being all over the place.
Edit: Trigon to Jericho I felt super strong about season 2. That's 8 out of the 13 that get thumbs up. It's only from Atonement to Faux Hawk where I've felt down and concerned about the show and even in those episodes were a lot of parts I really liked. I don't want it to seem like I've disliked the show or season. Not at all. There is still room for improvement clearly. I just feel the drop was noticeable after Jericho and really question decisions made. Now to finish the finale.
That said I feel, and I think I've said this before and I'm sure many have, this show needs a new show runner and the cast needs to be cut down. I don't think the writing staff in generally needs to be replaced. There are far to many strong episodes and well done character moments for the issue to be there or mainly there. I think the issue is overall leadership and direction and that's from the show runner. I think this season started strong, the middle was strong but the last few episodes have been all over the place in terms of quality and overall purpose and direction. You can't at all have that when it comes to a limited number of episodes in a season and you're getting them weekly. I said before I wanted to see how some of these last few episodes played if you binged them since some things aren't working with how their paced and unfolding week to week.
There is overall to much wasted time. It's one of the reasons why I happen to like season 1 better but I feel individual episodes of season 2 are far better. I feel the direction of that season was better. The story was always progressing and it didn't feel like it was meandering off in different directions.You had your side story episodes but that usually served a purpose and flowed back into the main story later on or helped push something else further. The negative is that not all the episodes were on the same level but I'd rather that then having the overall plot and pacing suffer from all the character trying to be juggled and attention being taken from the story that is suppose to be presented.
I feel a lot of the Hank and Dawn stuff in the back half was pointless and wasted time. Having Dick again leave frustrated me to no end because I thought we were done with that. It was just another waste of time and made the character feel like he had no growth after season 1 and the season 2 premiere. I keep going back to Gar asking him why he had to leave when he told the truth about what happen. That bothered more then anything and was the start of the issues I feel the show had afterward. Everything spiders out of them taking the story in that direction. There was no need to rush the Cadmus stuff. They could have easily had Conner being watched from afar to see how he progressed and picked up on that story if they had a season 3. Focused completely on the Deathstroke stuff.
I also can't help but wonder if they got word that they'd have a season 3 to late and then altered the end of the season to try and setup season 3. Cause it felt like the show was going in one direction and going confidently then it just veers off track after the Jericho episode.
Like I said I haven't finished the episode but what I have seen is in no way representative of what the show has and shown off. The fighting, display of powers, direction, etc have all been far better in this season alone. Look at that Robin vs Deathstroke fight we just had a few episodes ago. Hell the Dick vs Bruce fight we just had. This is what I mean with the last few episodes being all over the place.
Edit: Trigon to Jericho I felt super strong about season 2. That's 8 out of the 13 that get thumbs up. It's only from Atonement to Faux Hawk where I've felt down and concerned about the show and even in those episodes were a lot of parts I really liked. I don't want it to seem like I've disliked the show or season. Not at all. There is still room for improvement clearly. I just feel the drop was noticeable after Jericho and really question decisions made. Now to finish the finale.
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Eh. I thought it was fantastic minus the Donna death. Still better than anything the CW has shit out.
What the fuck is this last episode and all the bullshit it did to nearly all of its female characters.
Kill one of the best characters in a comedically stupid and bullshit way that doesn't make sense since it shouldn't have killed. RIP Wondergirl.
Crippled the next stronger female superhero Starfire by getting rid of all her powers.
Then you make Raven leave the group to Themyscira.
Oh, and the living spirit of your brother now lives in Rose's head. That's not weird.
Crippled the next stronger female superhero Starfire by getting rid of all her powers.
Then you make Raven leave the group to Themyscira.
Oh, and the living spirit of your brother now lives in Rose's head. That's not weird.
Well looks like wonder girl's actor is out, or atleast giving the impression. Starfire is clearly setting up for 3. Raven is most likely gonna attempt to rez wonder girl, tho with th above something else may happen. Was thinking they may have Cassandra replace her. And well Rose just saved her brother. Not really seeing your issue with how they were treated.
Only wonder Girl is iffy cause that was laughable. But makes sense if she's leaving.
Yeah, looking at Conor's instagram, she basically gives the impression she's done with the show and isn't even gonna be doing any acting at all for a while. That's a real bummer.
I kinda feel like if any of the Old Titans needed to die, it needed to be half of the Hawk/Dove pair. Donna barely got to do ANYTHING this season, so wasting her just feels like a really dumb writer choice.
I kinda feel like if any of the Old Titans needed to die, it needed to be half of the Hawk/Dove pair. Donna barely got to do ANYTHING this season, so wasting her just feels like a really dumb writer choice.
Hawk needed to go. Hawk is a significantly worse Hawkeye from Avengers. He is not redeeming, cool, funny, or anything. He is just there to drag the plot with some side story of why he is a piece of shit.
When the did the initial fakeout showing they were going to kill Dove I was like "What the fuck. Hawk is literally the worst character out of everyone" then Wonder Girl died and I yelled "NO. WHY COULDN'T IT BE HAWK"!
Honestly it would've been okay if either Hawk OR Dove died. Hawk's the kind of character who would LEAVE if Dawn died, so chances are we'd lose both of them if we lose one. Maybe DCU will change their mind about the spinoff and just let them go.
That was....eh....Deathstroke being "killed" in 15 minutes flat, nah, he is coming back. Donna sacrificing herself when raven and superboy are right there was silly. She should have died vs deathstroke is she was going to leave the show.
Oh, cool, Donna is finally in her costume. Welp. Might as well have had her slip on some soap in the shower after they got back to headquarters.
Last season, we ended with Dick getting enraged with Batman because he went on a killing spree in his dream and killed the Joker. This season, besides upping the body count, we have an episode where they just outright kill deathstroke with both of his kids there and we get like a shrug.
At least they addressed my previous complaint about Dr. Fate Batman pulling them together. That was actually my second favorite part of this episode (the Nightwing costume being the first, even though they freaking spoiled it).
Cadmus's big plan was to brainwash Garth, then waste him on some stunt to prove Superboy can beat up tigers? What?
And the Titan's plan was basically to leave Rose home and then have no idea how to confront Superboy? Like why was powerless Starfire even there?
Anyone think they're actually going to address stuff like Dick Grayson being a fugitive, or Superboy and Ravager being on TV fighting cops?
Last season, we ended with Dick getting enraged with Batman because he went on a killing spree in his dream and killed the Joker. This season, besides upping the body count, we have an episode where they just outright kill deathstroke with both of his kids there and we get like a shrug.
At least they addressed my previous complaint about Dr. Fate Batman pulling them together. That was actually my second favorite part of this episode (the Nightwing costume being the first, even though they freaking spoiled it).
Cadmus's big plan was to brainwash Garth, then waste him on some stunt to prove Superboy can beat up tigers? What?
And the Titan's plan was basically to leave Rose home and then have no idea how to confront Superboy? Like why was powerless Starfire even there?
Anyone think they're actually going to address stuff like Dick Grayson being a fugitive, or Superboy and Ravager being on TV fighting cops?
Yeah this season was abit all over the place. This finale was just so bad. How'd Deathstroke die so easily? He should be able to regen like Rose.
Donna's death was just pathetic lmao. That was so bad.
I liked how they explained that Bruce could in fact not pull all that shit off and it was some manifestation of Raven's powers. They also gave her her classic haircut at the end which was neat.
Donna's death was just pathetic lmao. That was so bad.
I liked how they explained that Bruce could in fact not pull all that shit off and it was some manifestation of Raven's powers. They also gave her her classic haircut at the end which was neat.
Something else I just thought of:
They spent so much of the season showing Deathstroke planning his revenge. He comes out of hiding and trains his teenage daughter, then has this like complex plan that involves taking her eye and beating her up so she can infiltrate the Titans. He has her plant stuff to undermine them (which does jack all). He breaks Dr. Light out of jail to screw with them. He can like take the whole team down by himself, or so you would think.
Then his master plan boils down to standing in front of their car and shooting at them out in the open. Then the whole build up of "can we or can't we trust Ravager" is just like brushed away. So basically we have the big bads of both seasons just like fizzling out after a season of build up. Who in the world is plotting these? I swear if you read like a summary of this season's plot, it would make absolutely no sense.
They spent so much of the season showing Deathstroke planning his revenge. He comes out of hiding and trains his teenage daughter, then has this like complex plan that involves taking her eye and beating her up so she can infiltrate the Titans. He has her plant stuff to undermine them (which does jack all). He breaks Dr. Light out of jail to screw with them. He can like take the whole team down by himself, or so you would think.
Then his master plan boils down to standing in front of their car and shooting at them out in the open. Then the whole build up of "can we or can't we trust Ravager" is just like brushed away. So basically we have the big bads of both seasons just like fizzling out after a season of build up. Who in the world is plotting these? I swear if you read like a summary of this season's plot, it would make absolutely no sense.
The Jericho plot seems to have messed the Deathstroke arc up. Seems like they had more planned for Jericho/Deathstroke but didn't have the time to fully flesh it out. Slade went out like a chump, and his death should have been more impactful and more symbolic since he died like Jericho, but it was just so sudden that the meaning behind his death was treated like just another death.
This season has had some ups and downs. Other than the stupid death scene I think it was a decent season finale, better than last season's finale at least.
I do get the impression that the showrunner/writters were going in a different direction at the start of the season and for some reason had to completely change their plans halfway through ending in a somewhat convoluted arc. I still think that the show can completely turn things around next season.
I do get the impression that the showrunner/writters were going in a different direction at the start of the season and for some reason had to completely change their plans halfway through ending in a somewhat convoluted arc. I still think that the show can completely turn things around next season.
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Esai Morales was A good Deathstroke but they didn't use him in the right way and the writing of death stroke got wonky AF
Donna added nothing to the show after the Aqualad ep, Hawk/Dove are at least involved in the go forward.
I don't like blaming the number of characters for the shitty writing, it's just weak writing. Other shows have juggled just as many if not more and utilized them better while also having less time per episode.
He looked good in the role has a great voice for the character IMO.
Agree. I hope they get back on track in the third season. With all the other DCU shows being really good having a weaker season of Titans doesn't really have me too worried. When DCU folds into HBOMAx which I imagine will be a section on the front screen like Disney plus is does I hope they have the same budget because all the shows have really great production value. That really can't be argued.
On a sentence level the writing is fine, it's just the actual plotting, logic, and sense of storytelling that seems fundamentally broken. What is the excuse? Just plan your season in accordance to the amount of episodes you have, right? I wonder if this show is a nightmare to work on and the showrunner is just constantly having to fix situations. Something seems off because they have all the pieces
Just finished it.... ouch. Season has been mostly a miss for me, and the finale is a big part of that. It didn't stick any landings of any of the plot threads. Then Donna dies to the biggest amount of bullshit. Best part is the rest of the team just standing there. Family my ass.
The writing just kills this show for me. I'm not sure I'm in for a third season unless things change a lot.
The writing just kills this show for me. I'm not sure I'm in for a third season unless things change a lot.
Yeah, I had the same feeling. They had an incredibly good setup, the Superboy intro episode was fantastic, and they tanked it on stupid shit, infighting, and utterly callous wastes of characters who deserved better.
Unless things markedly change next year, I'm out. I don't care at all about Blackfire.
Oof. Ooof. An uneven season with good interactions between characters. Hopefully next season shows a bit more coherency.
Why did everyone stay in the car while Deathstroke almost killed Dick
Why didn't the Cadmus soldiers carry kryptonite bullets just in case
Why didn't Superboy help Donna while she was getting electrocuted
Yeah, add me to the list of people that won't be coming back for the show.
Why didn't the Cadmus soldiers carry kryptonite bullets just in case
Why didn't Superboy help Donna while she was getting electrocuted
Yeah, add me to the list of people that won't be coming back for the show.
So... another mess of an episode.
Last season it was fair to cut this show some slack - it was new, they had to do a lot of set-up, some of the actors were quite new/young, and they had that weird production decision to chop off the final episode and move it into the second season. This season shouldn't have had so many problems. Instead, it was somehow more disjointed, more focused on setups (with fewer and worse payoffs).
Most of the episodes this season were fine within the context of the episode itself, they just never felt like they all belonged to the same season. Like, Dick going to prison. Arrow turned a prison plot into a half-season arc with major consequences for several characters. Titans uses it as a quick diversion so Dick can discover his inner superhero logo.
This ending is the kind of thing that happens when someone tries to tie up all those mini arcs that were casually tossed about during the season. Cadmus' cunning plan is to auction off Superboy. Gar's brain was messed with so he would be there while that happened. Donna gets killed by an electrical mishap. Raven gets Poochied. Starfire is too powerful so the plot says no she's not. Deathstroke's eventual Titans bodycount of one (pre-season) is matched by a funfair.
Last season it was fair to cut this show some slack - it was new, they had to do a lot of set-up, some of the actors were quite new/young, and they had that weird production decision to chop off the final episode and move it into the second season. This season shouldn't have had so many problems. Instead, it was somehow more disjointed, more focused on setups (with fewer and worse payoffs).
Most of the episodes this season were fine within the context of the episode itself, they just never felt like they all belonged to the same season. Like, Dick going to prison. Arrow turned a prison plot into a half-season arc with major consequences for several characters. Titans uses it as a quick diversion so Dick can discover his inner superhero logo.
This ending is the kind of thing that happens when someone tries to tie up all those mini arcs that were casually tossed about during the season. Cadmus' cunning plan is to auction off Superboy. Gar's brain was messed with so he would be there while that happened. Donna gets killed by an electrical mishap. Raven gets Poochied. Starfire is too powerful so the plot says no she's not. Deathstroke's eventual Titans bodycount of one (pre-season) is matched by a funfair.
Not really, the scene itself was like half-way through the episode and the rest of the episode was about it. Saying it was all a dream would be a difficult plot move to sell.
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They could walk back Donna and Deathstroke's deaths extremely easily if they want. A Themysciran and a guy with insane healing powers. C'mon.
Like I'm just assuming Deathstroke is alive because it would be ridiculously stupid if he got taken out permanently that easily.
e: also the Nightwing/Deathstroke fight is done so poorly. Nightwing is on top of the car... next shot he's punchling Slade's gun away (who is a good 20 feet away). Next shot he's back by the car. C'mon.
Also Deathstroke being like "you're weak because you trust others, I'm strong because I'm alone. Hey look, my team mate, my daughter! I've been working with her all along"
Like I'm just assuming Deathstroke is alive because it would be ridiculously stupid if he got taken out permanently that easily.
e: also the Nightwing/Deathstroke fight is done so poorly. Nightwing is on top of the car... next shot he's punchling Slade's gun away (who is a good 20 feet away). Next shot he's back by the car. C'mon.
Also Deathstroke being like "you're weak because you trust others, I'm strong because I'm alone. Hey look, my team mate, my daughter! I've been working with her all along"
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