It's obviously embarassing that Sweeney somehow believes he and his company are part of an opressed class situation that warrants a transgressive act such as this, but actively defending Apple... is certainly a choice lol
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Tim Sweeney reacts to Apples counter-suing
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
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You don't get it - Tim is allowed to do that because he is a wunderkind, nobody else is allowed to. Same way only he can decide what the appropriate % cut is for digital platforms that everyone else must adhere to. Same way he's allowed to vertically integrate middleware+software via Unreal Engine and the Epic Store, but Apple are not allowed to vertically integrate hardware+software.
Tim is a perfect example of a libertarian dullard in that he cannot fathom even incidental non-market (i.e. pro-customer) actions by corporations - in Apple's case their stringency about locking down their products is partially about protecting their reputation as a safe platform for casual users, and in Valve's case much of their earnings are ploughed into initiatives that are either heavily in favour of customers or in favour of non-market Open Source activities or otherwise non-profitable pursuits (VR, Linux, etc).
What does this even mean? "The tech industry" isn't some blanket company that makes principles. Im confused. Nobody founded tech lol.
Also looking at what comes out of silicon valley as a whole, the tech industry doesn't have many if any good principles.
tim really needs to stop tryin to make 1984 happen.
it's not gonna happen.
no one cares about the ad and what epic is repurposing it to mean.
it's not gonna happen.
no one cares about the ad and what epic is repurposing it to mean.
Haha
That's because I post on my phone and the easiest way to get an image link is their twitter profiles. Sweeneys is a lower quality for some reason
Right Tim, then do like Apple and make your own devices with your new great rules so people can abandon the awful Apple dictatorship...
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Another OP showing tweets without their contents in forum quotes. 🤦♂️ Can we stop doing this in OPs? The Etcetera side is much better about this.
At what point do we all just tell him to get bent? This posturing is stupid and may end up costing him more than he expected, particularly since he's also a large corporation doing the same thing under the guise of being "4 ThE PlAyErS".
Swear to god this year is insane. I never thought I'd be on Apple's side about anything, ever. Yet here we are.
Swear to god this year is insane. I never thought I'd be on Apple's side about anything, ever. Yet here we are.
I mean, the irony is that those warning messages are warning users about the sorts of security holes that can exist in software not reviewed by Google, and such a security hole did exist in that initial build of Fortnite for Android.
As for him building an Epic Games Store client for Android, honestly, I don't think anything's stopping him. Amazon has its own app store. Different phone manufacturers have their own app stores. Thing is, Epic knows it'll never get the exposure that the Play Store gives it, which is why I don't understand the case against Google.
There're so many Android devices that don't ship with the Play Store pre-installed that I still have trouble understanding the case against Google here. Other companies have their own Android app stores, and people still want the Play Store because they realize they're missing out otherwise.
And through all this Apple just lets their lawyers do the talking. However, if Jobs were still alive and at the helm of Apple, the fireworks would have been amazing between him and the 2nd rate John Carmack.
In this particular case it's because they're posturing as a Robin Hood of the people while also being a multi corporation who does the same dubious stuff. It's hypocritical.
Sure sue Apple, but don't go on weaponizing children, pushing code with an alternate payment processor in your app while masking it from Apple (and which is a breach of contract) and then throwing tantrums on Twitter.
Do some research. Apple executives didn't just wake up one morning and said "30%, I like that percentage". It's an industry standard.
Here's an article for the gaming industry side: https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut-is-actually-the-industry-standard
I just can't see how any argument can be made against Apple without also being made against MS, Sony, and Nintendo which Epic doesn't seem to want to touch. Unless these companies have already given Epic a cut on the rate, which would spit in the face of what Epic is arguing and back up completely what Apple is arguing.
Where are the console lawsuits Epic?
Where are the console lawsuits Epic?
Because people are focusing on the actual lawsuit in question and not soapboxing empty rage against The Man like an angst Hot Topic teen.
Oh, I don't think it makes any sense either.
I don't even think that was the case for Linux. Epic and Valve both correctly saw that a UWP-only future would in fact put Windows in a similar state as iOS and threaten their businesses, but investing in Linux pre-emptively seems like a much smarter strategy than doubling down on platforms you know are closed and then suing them.
I imagine he'd have a much worse case against them as the Xbox and PlayStation stores compete with the retail, used, and rental markets and are not general computing devices unlike iOS and Android where Apple and Google effectively have 100% control over software distribution.
I really don't understand posters who are like "how can you be on Apple's side!"
This has nothing to do with sides, I'm sure most people don't like either company. This is about examining an argument from a company (Epic) and realizing it's a completely fucking bogus argument. Not only that, if their views of monopolies and anti-trust were to become precedent, it would nuke multiple industries and have extremely wide reaching consequences and as much as Sweeney insists that they're different, even the gaming industry would be massively damaged by this.
Also it doesn't help with peoples general ire towards Epic when Tim Sweeney, multiple times a day, continues to show himself to be a buffoon on twitter and more importantly also didn't read or possibly understand 1984.
This has nothing to do with sides, I'm sure most people don't like either company. This is about examining an argument from a company (Epic) and realizing it's a completely fucking bogus argument. Not only that, if their views of monopolies and anti-trust were to become precedent, it would nuke multiple industries and have extremely wide reaching consequences and as much as Sweeney insists that they're different, even the gaming industry would be massively damaged by this.
Also it doesn't help with peoples general ire towards Epic when Tim Sweeney, multiple times a day, continues to show himself to be a buffoon on twitter and more importantly also didn't read or possibly understand 1984.
Also, Google allows apps outside of its app store to be installed.
I gotta say, the passive aggressive posts trying to box people in for calling epic out are beyond silly. No one has to be an Apple shill or part of some era hive mind to be of the opinion that both companies generally suck, but that epic is in the wrong in this case. One way or the other, I don't see why other posters here personally care how one feels about Apple or epic. Just going to wait and see what the courts say.
I don't the the general computing argument would hold much water when Epic explicitly said they want to make "Epic Games Store" for iOS.
Also, Xbox/PS are both putting out consoles which don't have to compete with retail/used, but even in the case of discs the games in question still need to pass certification and need to be built with dev kits provided by the console makers. Neither of those is the case for Android.
That's... not really a number they made up themselves.
Also the entire notion kind of irks me. "They are large and successful and I want to be with them but they expect me to pay". I can't even articulate exactly why, but it just crosses wires in my head for some reason. Like... yeah? Yeah they do want you to pay. They aren't "locking their platform behind a number", them being large and successful is not an automatic free pass for everyone to take part of their success. They became large and successful by, among other things, making money by charging a service rate to use their platform, and demanding that they stop making money from it now that they've, basically, "grown large enough", is kind of baffling.
Why do they have to justify a number that is entirely industry standard?
It's the same number that Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Google, Amazon and Steam charge.
And Steam don't make the hardware, OS or even the low level development tools/APIs. They're a store front with some modding etc software.
It's an industry standard, and one Apple does more to justify than many of the other players.
Are you equally as mad at every other player in the industry? You can replace "Apple" with literally any of the big players in your post.
No one has really been able to explain why it's bogus though? I think it'd be pretty hard to prove Apple doesn't have monopoly power over software distribution on their devices. Now wether that violates the laws Epic claims it does is a whole different discussion that is probably out of the wheelhouse of most people here, but I can't see why anyone could in good faith argue that having total control over software distribution is good for competition.
This applies to every aspect of this whole situation. It feels like Sweeney isn't doing what his lawyers suggest, instead doing whatever he wants unless the lawyers specifically tell him no.
Honestly I think it's because iOS has a huge Fortnite playerbase.
If they win they're going to get a huge amount of money out of this, as much as Tim insists it's not about that.
Fortnite lost 60% off its iOS players after Apple’s ban
Fortnite has reportedly seen a 60% drop in its iOS playerbase. Fortnite for iOS used to be the biggest group of player prior to its ban.
www.sportskeeda.com
Just like MS have with the Xbox Series S right? And Sony with the digital edition PS5?
I didn't read something as stupid as "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" since that dude who made a parallelism between TLOU2 and The Schlinder List.
