-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Tim Sweeney: Epic Games will cover future refunds and work with other stores to ensure key availability for crowdfunded games that go Epic exclusive
- Thread starter vestan
- Start date
Yep. They just had half a dozen firm invest over a billion into them as well. They want to be a top dog in distribution, but very quickly. To use Sweeney's own words, they are employing "disruptive" tactics. No doubt thousands of jobs and countless millions of dollars hinge on Epic and their partners doing well. So far, the thing has definitely been slap dash, but all their major movements make sense.
They want to secure the content first and foremost, but the store can lack features until then. The content is what is getting them customers, not the client itself. An excellent client would be appreciated, but without content, the market won't move towards their ecosystem quickly enough.
I'll be buying all these EGS exclusive games day one. On Steam. Even if I don't ever intend to play them.
You can use the site in whatever way you choose. I have no say in it. That said, I'd understand your complaint if this was the first time around the block with the topic. The question has been asked and answered umpteen times very recently and it mucks up every thread that it is brought up in (and then it becomes about the just another launcher argument). The EGS topic has had a bunch of threads and in many of them people haven't addressed the topic in good faith, and it doesn't look like that poster was arguing in good faith to me or to the mods. Had I thought he was, I would have linked to the original Shenmue 3 epic games thread were it was explained completely in several posts eloquently and thoroughly.
Last edited:
That's just telling me to be prepared to see other Kickstarter funded games being snatch and that the refunds will be available on time the next time he does it. On the key part, there is actually no guarantee as will always be depended on the other storefront. In other words, don't crowdfund games that Epic may show interest in the future, but as we don't know we kind of games they would not want, is safer if we just stop crowdfunding games in general while Epic is on war with Steam.
I was just thinking this. No more backing for me though. Thats for sure.
This is where I'm at. All I've backed in the last 3 years have been boardgames. Don't touch my boardgames!
Why are we as we as gamers held ransom by Sweeney's Vendetta against valve, because that's what this is.
Or just wait because it seems like they come to Steam eventually anyway.
Because of the "but much gamez" crowd who dont know and/or don't care and just have to buy their games now.
It's amazing that a single man can take something this far with a pos launcher and a lot of money. For gods sake it's still doesn't have a shopping cart
You're full of shit. PC gaming has been a non-walled garden since the early 80s. This asshole is creating problems where there were none.
And if you did care to educate yourself before jumping in to troll in a half-asses style, you'd know it's not about 'another launcher.'
Epic has funded numerous initiatives that benefit independent developers, to help them build and fund their games. And, in fact, they've created a $100 Million fund just this year to give away dev grants. That's on top of the flexible licensing they've long offered for Unreal Engine, earlier grant programs, etc.
Isn't it interested that on consoles it's the games that matter, but for some reason on PC where you have access to all the games, all anyone wants to yell about is which storefront they need to use?
Amazon doesn't have a cart for Kindle books. The Switch eShop doesn't have a cart. Having a shopping cart is not the litmus test for a viable digital store. It's just one of the minutiae detractors have to cling to after so many of the early complaints were so swiftly addressed. To build it up into evidence of incompetence just makes your argument look petty and weak.
In one fell swoop, Tim managed to both say that more of this type of bullshit is coming, wherein a game is sold to backers for X platform and bought out for Y platform, while also completely discouraging any future confidence in wanting to support a Kickstarted game.
Why bother when this guy can just come along and buy up the exclusivity after all is said and done.
Why bother when this guy can just come along and buy up the exclusivity after all is said and done.
to be fair the shopping cart has had a tangible negative effect
when people bought several games during the sale they had to do it one at a time and some got their accounts locked because of fraud detection as a result
They are problems of their own making though. This is just cleaning up the messes they make. Only strange bit is Instead of learning from their actions they proceed to create fresh new messes.
Look if you want to accept a dogshit launcher in 2019 you do you but don't expect others to go along for the ride.
I guarantee if there was an Epic Launcher on consoles and Epic was buying exclusives away from PSN or Xbox Live the shit would be hitting the fan there too!
Yup. People here were losing their shit when that rumor about FromSoftware getting bought was swirling around. The very same posters who come into these threads feigning ignorance lol.
Really? Where is the outcry over FFVII Remake? You can't guarantee anything other than next generation consoles will once again have third party exclusives and to play those third party exclusives you also need to buy the hardware to gain access, aside from Microsoft who will likely continue the ternd of everything on Xbox also comes to the PC.
Oh i'm sure people would be chill if their friends lists, achievements, cloud saves, etc suddenly disappeared.
This is all true, but that strategy is also contingent on several other factors:
-The market has to be willing to put up with the shit client to play games on day 1 rather than wait a year for Steam
-The customers they get via these expensive deals have to stick around to buy more games instead of going back to Steam/whatever for games that aren't subsidized or exclusive
-The customers also have to be willing to give EGS $$$ despite the possibility of them hating Lyin' Tim Sweeny's guts
I'm saying if people boycott the store, Epic's plans don't work
They'd be more upset if an addition fee was applied to get those feature and to play online with others, that I'm sure of.
I wonder if there's an easy-ish way of searching for successful PC game Kickstarters (as in, stupidly popular ones) that are yet to come out. Then ignore all of them.
You know there is still time for Epic to throw up an online fee for people in its ecosystem. Pretty much the only move that could make things worse at this point.
I can just imagine epic charging 20e for online to recoup what they lose on the revenue split, they think the backlash is bad now that'd be something else
Sometimes, like in real life, the change has to come from each of us, individually. Instead of waiting for the one saviour to magically "rescue" us, may be if enough gamers can stand not buying every game day one, it would send a message to Epic that this isn't going to work.
They're throwing in money betting that they could make it back because gamers are known to be capable of not getting their favourite game on day one, but if they can't make it back, they will stop, obviously, since they aren't making any profit financially or in building customer number.
Besides, what kind of saviour are you expecting? Someone to outbid them to unexclusive these games? Who would do that?
I'm not saying you're a day-oner, but I have little faith in gamers' ability to hold back when their favourite game hits EGS's shelves, and only EGS's shelves, Borderlands 3 is going to be the game to decide whether Epic's exclusive game is the right one, I think?
Soon:
i don't understand the problem it's just another
I was joking but now I'm imagining a nightmare scenario in the future where Epic is having revenue issues and they gate basic platform improvements and online play behind a paywall and cite the costs of developing them as the justification.
Kickstarter is exactly a pre-order. You are buying a game before it's finished. That is a pre-order.
No it isn't. I've donated 5 bucks to devs to help them fund their game, but to actually get a future copy you had to pledge 20 bucks. I didn't want to commit fully because I wasn't sure I wanted the game yet.
So if every single of the 30,909 PC backers ($29/$60 sets) got a refund, it would only cost Epic $1,041,162.
Epic Games can definitely shrug that off which is why Tim plans to do more of this in the future I guess.
Epic Games can definitely shrug that off which is why Tim plans to do more of this in the future I guess.
I would just like to point out that Tim also said Epic would never pull another incident like Metro ever again and then proceeded to buy Shenmue III anyway
His word means nothing. He's a habitual liar.
His word means nothing. He's a habitual liar.
Well, so long Kickstarter then; not that there have been any cool exciting games put up lately.
I call bullshit. I take you didn't read the Shenmue III Kickstarter comment page?
You guys really gotta talk to someone about this unhealthy emotional investment you have in video game companies.
This is a pretty classy move by Epic, honestly, if you're of the opinion or understanding that sometimes exclusivity money results in better games.
I don't think it necessarily forgives the devs/pubs that make promises to reward pledges with promises of a certain platform, as it kind of means the money they took from those backers a 0% interest microloan. Recent events certainly don't help former backers have as much confidence in crowdfunding platforms - especially because backers typically are the most loyal and trusting kind of customers (and sincere business talk: it's an extremely bad idea to lose that kind of base if it has even a remote sense of scale).
I'm personally not effected by any of the games that had crowdfunding for Steam turn into EGS exclusives, so I'm really not that personally bothered by it (or EGS in general; it's fine). I do empathize with players that were promised something & then have to go into a refund situation, and I'm super curious if the exclusivity $ now is worth creating more vocal detractors against you.
I don't think it necessarily forgives the devs/pubs that make promises to reward pledges with promises of a certain platform, as it kind of means the money they took from those backers a 0% interest microloan. Recent events certainly don't help former backers have as much confidence in crowdfunding platforms - especially because backers typically are the most loyal and trusting kind of customers (and sincere business talk: it's an extremely bad idea to lose that kind of base if it has even a remote sense of scale).
I'm personally not effected by any of the games that had crowdfunding for Steam turn into EGS exclusives, so I'm really not that personally bothered by it (or EGS in general; it's fine). I do empathize with players that were promised something & then have to go into a refund situation, and I'm super curious if the exclusivity $ now is worth creating more vocal detractors against you.
Timmy I have a better idea:
Stop being a fucking asshole hypocrite.
Fortnite was a fucking mistake.
Stop being a fucking asshole hypocrite.
Fortnite was a fucking mistake.
Yeah, also, not all games are available on all storefronts. Even GOG had exclusives when they released the classic Star Wars games, if I remember correctly. Apparently the whole "PC is an open platform and everything should be on every storefront" only applies if it's not released on Steam.