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Tim Sweeney: Epic Games will cover future refunds and work with other stores to ensure key availability for crowdfunded games that go Epic exclusive
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Yeah, Shenmue 3 and Bloodstained are my last backed KS projects ever unless KS does an official statement on how creators will need to be crystal clear about their platforms of distribution up front.
This or the creators making this very clear from day 1.
It's a damn shame that a noble project platform like KS gets it's reputation tarnished by the money monster that is Epic.
This or the creators making this very clear from day 1.
It's a damn shame that a noble project platform like KS gets it's reputation tarnished by the money monster that is Epic.
Yup. No way I'll ever crowdfund another game after the Shenmue 3 fiasco.
If kickstarter games feel going full epic-store is a no-brainer, it means steam is a worse deal.
You'd go to the cheapest videogame shop in the same street as well.
Yeah, this isn't a solution. People back games with the expectation that they'll have a choice of platform, or at least among the ones listed during the campaign.
I mean... Tbh that's kickstarters. You're giving people free loans for zeros stake in the project and no ownership.
Adding epic to the mix does make it more likely games won't come out in the promised form, but it's always been the risk with kickstarters that people don't seem to understand.
As for epic. This is probably the best case scenario for what they'd do to'alleviate' negativity towards them for doing this.
Timmy would prefer that the customer take the risk.
Most people understand that just fine (although probably not all i agree).
You do have a certain stake tho, and that's essentially the chance of getting a good game at the end of the project.
With the idea of just getting a refund at the end tho, that one stake evaporates as well.
Thankfully you have over a 100 threads on this forum to find out.
Epic's going to kill crowd funding. I know I wouldn't give a dime to any game knowing they'll swoop in on whatever's generating buzz.
I don't understand why people like you keep repeating the same old bullshit.
It is for me, in fact I prefer gog, where I don't need the launcher at all!Oh, I was waiting for this. It's just another launcher.
What a terrible take. Steam is only a worse deal because Timmy is paying millions for game not to be on Steam. Sometimes that backfires like with couple games that will be on MS PC GamePass day 1.
Overall though, what this does is introduce more uncertainty to Kickstarter proposition for backers. Backers already have to deal with large risk of a game not coming out or not being a quality product. Now, you may not even get a platform of choice. So why bother then at that point? A lot of PC gamers who back these games will not want to be locked to EGS, deal with refunds and so on.
So what this whole scenario (and couple previous games) have done is basically poisoned the well for all Kickstarter gaming projects unless they are console only.
Thats one way to poisen poison the well.
Guess i will no longer fund any games on kickstarter, sucks but it is what it is.
Sorry but this should be a instant warning/ban at this point ...
We have hundreds of posts and threads about this "is just another launcher" bullshit.
Guess i will no longer fund any games on kickstarter, sucks but it is what it is.
Sorry but this should be a instant warning/ban at this point ...
We have hundreds of posts and threads about this "is just another launcher" bullshit.
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People who paid more than 60$ for the PC physical version were promised that the disc(s) would contain the game - Now it's a CD-R with the EGS launcher on it and a coupon code. So a plastic fresbie in a nice box.
It is something I would be extremely upset about and would ask for a refund immediately, not having chosen the PS4 version. These people have totally valid concerns.
It may be worse deal to the devs because Steam won't give them a bag of money. Thank god for that.
But Epic has them covered, so no need to back anything.
So you have a preference of an online game store because that store allows you to do things other stores don't?
Big if true.
If the Kickstarter is promising a PC game, it doesn't matter what "platform" it's on, you just click it, and play it in your PC, just ignore the "platform". It's quite different from the "no longer releasing in X console" thing
It's tragic. Kickstarter felt really exciting, a way to cut out the parasitic publishers, directly fund niche titles in underserved genres and keep some dev teams alive. But that's gone now. As you say, it's an interest free loan to create a title they can sell to a big publisher or sell themselves to a big publisher. It genuinely depresses the shit out of me.
I mean...good on him for this instance, but didn't he say the same thing previously about 'not snatching up games last minute'....and then doing exactly that?
Sure, tim.
Sure, tim.
Either they never learn or they are doing it to continue riling up people.
What? It's PC game, not a Steam game. Steam is a shop/platform on pc that happenned to become a monopoly and now people think "pc game = steam game".
The game is the same, be it on steam, gog or Epic Store, and if you have a pc that can run the game, you're free to go.
Thank you for ensuring there will be a [SEE STAFF POST] in here soon.
I switched launchers but now my dualshock 4 controllers no longer work without downloading and fucking around with yet another tool
Also this UI looks like shit when I want to play from my couch now I gotta get up and fuck around with the mouse and keyboard to launch anything
It's not a monopoly, no matter how much you want to pretend it is. At this point, you're just hitting all of the greatest hits that have been gone over time and again, so I can just assume you're not arguing in good faith and looking to catch a ban for ignoring the rules set out in virtually every EGS thread for the past 8 months.
Good ole Timmy boy saving PC gaming for the small developer by casting perpetual doubt on pitched Kickstarter campaigns for fulfilling their promises to their backers. Pffft, maybe Valve should cut the vacation time to their Steam employees and put them to work on matching Epic's tactics. Crunch is bad but treating your employees too good is also bad... that's what Kotaku taught me today.
I am sure someone will write an article how Epic is doing the industry a favor by this.
I am sure someone will write an article how Epic is doing the industry a favor by this.
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At this juncture you are either disingenuous or trolling if you keep spewing the "you just click it" bullshit. It's fine to disagree and to you it may not matter but by now anyone in this forums who looks at PC gaming thread should understand that its not just about clicking a stupid installer.
Done with this conversation and muted.
I've had this opinion for a long time but haven't discussed it here before, and I'm not trying to be banned or trolling, I just explained my opinion and having 900 users making fun of it shouldn't mean I deserve a ban for it. Everyone is shitting on epic store stuff and I can't have a neutral opinion about it?
Dang, Deepsivler and YSNet got away with Quadruple dipping.
-Playstation Initial Investment
-Crowdfunding Investment
-Epic Investment.
-Epic paying their refunds.
As for crowdfunding big games, it's dead, consumers could not possibly have trust in these types of investments anymore. Too many projects have shown they're very willing to sell out to anyone once the initial crowdfunding has passed, and screw the initial investors with no remorse. That's just part of crowdfunding game development I guess, never enough money to finish, over promising features, bad management of time and funds. They always end up needing more money, and companies like Epic and Deepsilver will always be there to take advantage.
-Playstation Initial Investment
-Crowdfunding Investment
-Epic Investment.
-Epic paying their refunds.
As for crowdfunding big games, it's dead, consumers could not possibly have trust in these types of investments anymore. Too many projects have shown they're very willing to sell out to anyone once the initial crowdfunding has passed, and screw the initial investors with no remorse. That's just part of crowdfunding game development I guess, never enough money to finish, over promising features, bad management of time and funds. They always end up needing more money, and companies like Epic and Deepsilver will always be there to take advantage.
One of the most frustrating things with these posters is how often their posting history has zero PC related threads.
You don't have a neutral opinion about it, though. You're either feigning ignorance or just that ignorant of the situation - neither of which is a position you should be proud of. And if you supposedly did actually hold that opinion and saw the dozens of other threads on the subject in order to stay informed of the whole issue, surely you would have seen the massive staff posts which say not to repeat the exact same things you've been repeating because it is disingenuous.
People have been answering all your questions for months now on basically every single threads regarding EGS.
-Steam is not a monopoly
-The game is not the same across different platform since some features are platform specific
Then what are you complaining about? You'll get a refund if the game goes Epic exclusive, which is written into the Kickstarter TOS.
User Banned (2 Weeks) - Continued history of trolling and not posting in good faith
it'd still be sad if sharing my opinion is "bannable" and "shameful" while insulting epic games people for buying exclusives (the oldest trick in the industry) is normal behaviour