Given that he seems to think boycotting Chik-Fil-A is 'really dumb', I don"t think we need to imagine.One can only imagine the politics of someone who wants to avoid politics.
Given that he seems to think boycotting Chik-Fil-A is 'really dumb', I don"t think we need to imagine.One can only imagine the politics of someone who wants to avoid politics.
I love that you're citing a paraphrasing of what he said and ignoring the actual transcription of what he said.I'm not saying they shouldn't I'm just saying people are arguing against things he never said. He doesn't want politics out of games. He actually encourages video game developers to make whatever they want with whatever politics they want. He just doesn't think the company itself needs to promote or discourage particular political opinions.
He isn't saying that at all
"But Sweeney did say that game company marketing departments do not need to engage in politics in the same way. Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
Hes saying video game marketing departments shouldn't promote politics, but that the video game artists should be free to make political art.
I mean I'm with you, I still disagree with what he said. I just feel like if we are going to shit on him, it should be for things he actually said.Oh, disregard my previous post then. Look, I can't be bothered to actually read the source, lol.
Still, marketing a game like The Division will involve politics regardless.
And still lmao about his Android and iOS comment.
Reminded me of Division 2 and "Come see what a real government shutdown looks like in the Private Beta."How do you propose a marketing department promote Watch Dogs: Legion a game about Brexit without being political?
"Watch dogs legion is coming out now! Go buy it, its rad!"How do you propose a marketing department promote Watch Dogs: Legion a game about Brexit without being political?
Elon says that's the Dark Souls of wagon rides.
"We have to create a very clear separation between church and state," he added, saying that "there's no reason to drag divisive topics...into gaming at all."
I mean I didn't do that at all. I literally quote what he said.I love that you're citing a paraphrasing of what he said and ignoring the actual transcription of what he said.
"There's no reason to drag divisive topics like that into gaming at all."
Define "politics." I'm not sure which games he's getting mad about but most games still are very apolitical. I can't really name popular ones that aren't also silly.
"The world is really screwed up right now. Right now our political orientations determine which fast-food chicken restaurant you go to [alluding to Chik Fil-A's political affiliations and the cultural response to it]? And that's really dumb," said Sweeney. "There's no reason to drag divisive topics like that into gaming at all."
He argued that a company or business should be "operating as neutral venues for entertainment and employees, customers — everybody else can hold their own views and not be judged by us for that."
"A company is a group of people who get together to accomplish a mission that is larger than what any one person can do. And a company's mission is a holy thing to it, right? Epic's mission is to build great technology and great games. And we can count on every employee at Epic — we can even demand every employee at Epic unite behind that mission. But every other matter we have to respect their personal opinions. And they may differ from management's or each other's or whatever."
Sweeney then referenced "controversy around political censorship" from foreign countries on domestic companies — likely referencing the controversy around Hong Kong-based player Blitzchung's statement speaking in favor of the pro-democracy movement in the region. Sweeney says a solution to preventing similar incidents is to get companies to "divorce themselves from politics."
Although, Blizzard's attempt to divorce themselves from politics by insisting that its punishment of Blitzchung was apolitical only further flamed criticism of the company.
"Watch dogs legion is coming out now! Go buy it, its rad!"
"Also watch this cool trailer!"
He didntIdk you were bitching about games not having any messages in them, which isn't at all what Tim is advocating for. In fact he does the opposite, he supports developers putting political messages in games. Straight from the article.
"Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
I mean I didn't do that at all. I literally quote what he said.
" But Sweeney did say that game company marketing departments do not need to engage in politics in the same way. Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say."
He explicitly says he wants creative developers to make what they want.
Name me an apolitical game and I'll explain how it's still proporting a political viewpoint.
He isn't saying that at all
"But Sweeney did say that game company marketing departments do not need to engage in politics in the same way. Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
Hes saying video game marketing departments shouldn't promote politics, but that the video game artists should be free to make political art.
He isn't saying that at all
"But Sweeney did say that game company marketing departments do not need to engage in politics in the same way. Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
Hes saying video game marketing departments shouldn't promote politics, but that the video game artists should be free to make political art.
"Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
Cmon bruh
"Sweeney said that marketing departments can stay out of politics, but the creative people should be free to say what they want to say. "
Cmon bruh
I mean I'm down. If you think its bullshit thats fine. I'm just saying if we are going to shit on him we should shit on him for what he actually means. He said so himself he wants creators to put whatever politics in games that they want. But that business should not be taking stances about politics. Let the creatives make their games. Their job is to promote those games. Thats it.Firs
Doesnt he use chick fil-a as an example of why we shouldn't allow politics to sway us from choices and then says politics like that should stay out of games.
Even if he just means marketing I dont agree with him. If a game has politics I dont agree with, I dont want to be misled by the marketing team. Maybe thata bad for making more money but it's not good for the consumer.
Sort've like your doing RIGHT.NOW. Completely ignoring that he has no issues with politics in actual video games. Only that he doesn't want companies themselves making political statements.You can repeat that until the polar ice caps are completely melted, ignoring what else he said is disingenuous.
Tim Sweeney: Android is a fake open system, and iOS is worse
Tim Sweeney, CEO of Epic Games, called on the game industry to be more open and liberate it from the monopolistic practices of platform ownersventurebeat.com
Epic Games Boss Says All Politics Should Be Removed From Game Companies [Update] - IGN
Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has argued to keep politics out of gaming altogether and keep game companies "neutral" avenues where developers can sell games.www.ign.com
Thats also the same guy, that, after Alex Jones was banned from Twitter, that companies should not decide such things (something like that).
Because things that aren't trying to present themselves as communicate a message still communicate messages.
Mario games where the boy saves the girl, especially once you have multiple of them with that same setup, are showcasing gender roles.
Simcity games where nuclear reactors melt down and industrial zones are a vital component of cities are promoting fear of cleaner energy sources and the shift to a service economy.
Fitness games are promoting the role of health within our lifestyles.
But that's a completely different context. I think there's a big difference between discussing contemporary/governmental politics and policies and the idea of every action being somehow political. We can have a discussion about the former, and agree or disagree; but to dismiss that discussion from the position of the latter seems disingenuous at best. If you dilute the definition of politics in this context to the degree that literally any action can relate to it, then it loses all meaning. I sincerely doubt that's the position being argued, and therefore, I find the dismissal to be inadequate. My two cents.Because everything is political unless you're uniformed. Was Switzerland neutral against Hitler? You either stand up to evil or you support it. And the world hasn't had this much evil in it since the Hitler took office. There's no room for neutrality on today's issues. It's a fake stance to hide what you really believe.
A PR department does way more than "check out this trailer, yo"."Watch dogs legion is coming out now! Go buy it, its rad!"
"Also watch this cool trailer!"
Yeah Im sure the paraphrasing in the article is just the website making it up and that he didn't say that at all. Or maybe he did say that exact same thing the article said he did and theres not point in quoting every single word he said in the articleSo I'm quoting him directly and you're quoting paraphrasing
I wonder which one wins in the accuracy department.
Another point to bear in mind is that specific example he used is an issue regarding the treatment of homosexuality as a disease. This isn't a conflict behind, say, how to keep the economy strong. It's a conflict around the very existence of a minority group. You can't avoid that; either you're sweeping minorities under the rug or you acknowledge their existence.But that's a completely different context. I think there's a big difference between discussing contemporary/governmental politics and policies and the idea of every action being somehow political. We can have a discussion about the former, and agree or disagree; but to dismiss that discussion from the position of the latter seems disingenuous at best. If you dilute the definition of politics in this context to the degree that literally any action can relate to it, then it loses all meaning. I sincerely doubt that's the position being argued, and therefore, I find the dismissal to be inadequate. My two cents.
Sort've like your doing RIGHT.NOW. Completely ignoring that he has no issues with politics in actual video games. Only that he doesn't want companies themselves making political statements.
I mean I'm down. If you think its bullshit thats fine. I'm just saying if we are going to shit on him we should shit on him for what he actually means. He said so himself he wants creators to put whatever politics in games that they want. But that business should not be taking stances about politics. Let the creatives make their games. Their job is to promote those games. Thats it.
The right to be sexist, homophobic, and racist.
Yeah Im sure the paraphrasing in the article is just the website making it up and that he didn't say that at all. Or maybe he did say that exact same thing the article said he did and theres not point in quoting every single word he said in the article
So what you're saying is...I should read the source.So I'm quoting him directly and you're quoting paraphrasing
I wonder which one wins in the accuracy department.